Keith

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Some messages have been going directly into the spam folder. I've recovered all that I could, however, I presume some have been deleted, unread. Keep messages brief and easy-to-understand, stating clearly what you want done.

I'm discovering a higher-than-normal amount of incorrect information in the edits that I research, when time permits (sometimes it takes hours to verify one edit). "As the manager, you have an important responsibility to ensure accurate information for the memorial... consider explaining the sources and differing information in the biography field." Double-check your edits for accuracy with official government documents – not with family heritage search websites. DO NOT edit indisputable correct information from multiple official documents with something absurd that you've found on a free website from a wannabe genealogist. Let's stick to facts. False information is copied over and over and may eventually become "facts." I strive to be accurate with the information on a memorial. Likewise, DO NOT delete correct bio information which I spent time and subscription payments to research merely because you don't like the data in a list format, and/or you don't like having an obit on a memorial. (Newspaper obituaries, death certificates and other scanned documentation are now allowed. I generally omit the complete obit, including survivors, from newer obits due to copyright restrictions and family privacy.) I have neither the time nor interest in writing an original heartfelt biography for 19,000 memorials. Since anybody can now either delete or edit everything in a memorial when auto-accepted, I'm uploading more documentation (including obits) into the photo section where it cannot be deleted or edited. I may include your public name and/or number to an edit to assist with tracing when others dispute your information. If you do not want this added, then please do not send the edit.

It's highly likely that I will deny your edit of YOUR preferred memorial bio, formatting and/or page style if it alters MY preferred memorial bio, formatting and/or page style. Poorly written biographies may be denied. I intentionally replicated many narrow-column newspaper obits exactly as found in the original source – so don't redraft it; you'll be wasting your time. Refrain from being concerned with insignificant details that add to my backlog of edits. Some nitpicking edits that I have received just on plot details: use all capital letters (e.g., "Block" to "BLOCK"); abbreviate words (e.g., "Block" to "Blk"); use a dash (punctuation marks) instead of a space; don't use punctuation marks. I cannot please everyone. I may add directional information on some of the memorials that I manage such as "Northernmost block." Using only "Block 10" is worthless unless you have the correct-version map of the cemetery. To each their own. BUSYBODIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO CRITIQUE THEIR OWN MEMORIALS.

It's Find A Grave – not Find An Obituary.
Contributors are moving their Burial Unknown to the correct cemetery based upon my finding the correct burial location, consequently giving the appearance that I'm creating duplicate memorials. When a person is entering memorials in a specific cemetery they aren't required to search the entire site. For example, there are over 45,000 records if searching for James Smith; and from past experience, memorials (such as Jim Smith) will be missing from the search results. A duplicate memorial with a correct known burial location will always be preferred over an unknown burial location. If a member doesn't update a memorial to the correct burial location within 30 days, then that memorial will be the one deleted, even if it was created first:
• The first memorial in the correct cemetery will be kept.
• A marked cenotaph in a cemetery is kept over alternate dispositions.


Obits, links, and information on many memorials have been submitted by others – accuracy is not guaranteed. Caveat lector. If there is an error, it's likely from an edit sent to me to post (or from the default automatically-accepted edit). Allow several weeks for edits to be processed – longer for messages by email – when time permits. I receive a large quantity of messages so it's highly unlikely that I'll reply. Repeated daily messages for the same edit only adds to my backlog. Note: Even though I added a photo to a memorial, I may not manage that memorial and therefore I cannot edit information on that memorial.

● Cenotaphs:
A cenotaph is a marker within a cemetery placed in honor of a person whose remains are elsewhere. It is possible for a deceased person to have multiple memorials due to having cenotaphs. Each headstone or marker (in different cemetery locations) should have its own memorial.

● Photos:
Do not copy my photos and use them on other memorials (you are attributing the photos as your own when you use them). Rules: "Contact the contributor directly to request permission to use the photo.... When you have permission to use a photo, we encourage you to add the source of the photo in the caption area so that there is proper credit given and people are aware of where the photo originated." You do NOT have my permission to use my photos on other memorials. This includes rival websites that are stealing the photos. The "Memorials with no grave photo" search feature is ineffective when an outdated photo from an older memorial is copied to a new memorial (usually the departed spouse). People prefer a newer photo with the death date inscribed. I do report copied photos and they are removed. One contributor unbelievably fulfilled a photo request with my gravestone photo from the memorial of the spouse that previously died.
With the photo enlargement feature on the memorials, I usually don't take close-up photos of a stone. To enlarge a photograph on a memorial page, click on the photo once to get a slightly larger photo (and to see a possible photo caption). Click on "View original" and this will enlarge it more. Then, clicking on this picture will increase it to full size.
If you have an issue with a photo, please click on the name of the contributor underneath the photo. I cannot remove photos from other contributors.
I generally photograph as-is. "Photograph the grave/gravesite 'in-situ', or as it appears in that moment in time. The purpose is to show the grave as it is, be it dirty, cluttered, broken, or pristine. It is not your job to clean it, clear it, fix it, or decorate it. The graves are not yours to do as you please. Remember, one person's 'good deed' just might be another person's vandalism. Go take lots of photos... but do it like an anthropologist and do not disturb the grave site."
–administrator AJ (prior to Ancestry)
I may add additional grave photos to a memorial for various reasons, including:
• Low quality; Find a Grave photo size at one time was a maximum of 250 KB (¼ MB). Photos actually had to be reduced to that now-small size.
• I've been requested to take newer/fresh/updated photos from both out-of-state and elderly people who can no longer visit the grave.
Currently, only two contributors were offended (more like livid) that I added newer photos to their memorials.

● Transfers:
Determine if you really need the memorial transferred to you for management. Only request a transfer if you have extensive changes to make to a memorial. You can add photos and suggest corrections without the need to manage a memorial. Simply having someone in your family tree is not sufficient to request a transfer. With millions of members, there will be many overlapping family trees and it would be impossible for all members to manage their entire tree. I've had distant relatives of the departed compete for the same memorial; I cannot please everyone. Typically, when I do transfer a memorial, either nothing is added to the memorial by the new manager (who may have added a few memorials on their own but have many managed due to transfers, then become inactive), or correct information is replaced with something absurd because the transferee is not closely related. At an earlier time, when the photo section was not for scanned documentation or obits, one contributor insisted that there was incorrect information on a memorial – and he should know because he's related. After sending a half-dozen documents to him, he admitted that he was wrong.

● Names:
The 'last name' on the memorial must match the name that is on the headstone (however, the powers that be often flout this guideline/rule). Find a Grave now allows, but does not require, more than one name in the last name field. "Last Name as you would find it on the tombstone. If the interred had more than one last name, they may be added to the last name field." Some obituary contributors (Ploppers) are persistent and want it done their way with several names in the last name field. My preference, as a gravestone photo contributor, is to include any other married names as part of the biography section. I generally default to the marker and respect both the first and last names the person and/or family chose to have on the marker. Otherwise, it increases the chances of a duplicate memorial being created.

● Rank:
I add rank only for armed services personnel that either died in service or retired from a military career. When entering civilian life after a brief time in service, most people do not carry the rank with them. A post from the forum: "The military headstone will say something like 'John Doe PFC US Army' but that does not mean I should enter it as 'PFC John Doe' (who died aged 80)." See the profiles of contributors L Evans (47943698) or '1A.JEGriffith (50037017)* listed below in "Following" for the military rules on rank usages. Click "View All."

● GPS: (Global Positioning System, not Genealogical Proof Standard)
The memorial GPS burial coordinates help anyone to visit the grave by walking directly to it; it's not for entering the general coordinates of the cemetery.

● Member Search:
Click here or click "Find a member" below.

● Bios worth reading:
Tim Gruber (47185765); L Evans (47943698); ChuckNorris (46884447); Connie (47390019); Liz Olmstead (46772820); Mr. Ed (35186547); archivemaster (47523570) in "Following" below. Click "View All."

● Common Issues:
· Wood County Cemetery (no longer used for interments) in Wood County, Wisconsin should not be confused with Wood National Cemetery in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin.
· A south Wood County, Wisconsin burial would likely be at Saint Johns Lutheran Parish Cemetery in Portage County, Wisconsin, not Saint Johns Lutheran Cemetery in Wood County, Wisconsin.
· A death occurring in Rome, Adams County, Wisconsin will likely be stated as Nekoosa, Wood County, Wisconsin in the obit (the postal address).

For the newer members asking: Message/email contact has been disabled for my own sanity. You'll likely do it too in a matter of time. (One example: I received about a dozen messages from the same person, with one different edit at a time, then the final message was to transfer the memorial.)

Cemetery theft video: (copy & paste)
https://www.wkow.com/news/monroe-woman-accused-of-selling-items-stolen-from-local-cemeteries/article_30bd68fc-8c90-11ed-95a1-e371c83a6fd1.html

*Note: The public name for this contributor often changes.

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Denial message:
I won't be changing it. I like the way I entered it, thanks.
(Taken from the bio of an Australian contributor.)

Some messages have been going directly into the spam folder. I've recovered all that I could, however, I presume some have been deleted, unread. Keep messages brief and easy-to-understand, stating clearly what you want done.

I'm discovering a higher-than-normal amount of incorrect information in the edits that I research, when time permits (sometimes it takes hours to verify one edit). "As the manager, you have an important responsibility to ensure accurate information for the memorial... consider explaining the sources and differing information in the biography field." Double-check your edits for accuracy with official government documents – not with family heritage search websites. DO NOT edit indisputable correct information from multiple official documents with something absurd that you've found on a free website from a wannabe genealogist. Let's stick to facts. False information is copied over and over and may eventually become "facts." I strive to be accurate with the information on a memorial. Likewise, DO NOT delete correct bio information which I spent time and subscription payments to research merely because you don't like the data in a list format, and/or you don't like having an obit on a memorial. (Newspaper obituaries, death certificates and other scanned documentation are now allowed. I generally omit the complete obit, including survivors, from newer obits due to copyright restrictions and family privacy.) I have neither the time nor interest in writing an original heartfelt biography for 19,000 memorials. Since anybody can now either delete or edit everything in a memorial when auto-accepted, I'm uploading more documentation (including obits) into the photo section where it cannot be deleted or edited. I may include your public name and/or number to an edit to assist with tracing when others dispute your information. If you do not want this added, then please do not send the edit.

It's highly likely that I will deny your edit of YOUR preferred memorial bio, formatting and/or page style if it alters MY preferred memorial bio, formatting and/or page style. Poorly written biographies may be denied. I intentionally replicated many narrow-column newspaper obits exactly as found in the original source – so don't redraft it; you'll be wasting your time. Refrain from being concerned with insignificant details that add to my backlog of edits. Some nitpicking edits that I have received just on plot details: use all capital letters (e.g., "Block" to "BLOCK"); abbreviate words (e.g., "Block" to "Blk"); use a dash (punctuation marks) instead of a space; don't use punctuation marks. I cannot please everyone. I may add directional information on some of the memorials that I manage such as "Northernmost block." Using only "Block 10" is worthless unless you have the correct-version map of the cemetery. To each their own. BUSYBODIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO CRITIQUE THEIR OWN MEMORIALS.

It's Find A Grave – not Find An Obituary.
Contributors are moving their Burial Unknown to the correct cemetery based upon my finding the correct burial location, consequently giving the appearance that I'm creating duplicate memorials. When a person is entering memorials in a specific cemetery they aren't required to search the entire site. For example, there are over 45,000 records if searching for James Smith; and from past experience, memorials (such as Jim Smith) will be missing from the search results. A duplicate memorial with a correct known burial location will always be preferred over an unknown burial location. If a member doesn't update a memorial to the correct burial location within 30 days, then that memorial will be the one deleted, even if it was created first:
• The first memorial in the correct cemetery will be kept.
• A marked cenotaph in a cemetery is kept over alternate dispositions.


Obits, links, and information on many memorials have been submitted by others – accuracy is not guaranteed. Caveat lector. If there is an error, it's likely from an edit sent to me to post (or from the default automatically-accepted edit). Allow several weeks for edits to be processed – longer for messages by email – when time permits. I receive a large quantity of messages so it's highly unlikely that I'll reply. Repeated daily messages for the same edit only adds to my backlog. Note: Even though I added a photo to a memorial, I may not manage that memorial and therefore I cannot edit information on that memorial.

● Cenotaphs:
A cenotaph is a marker within a cemetery placed in honor of a person whose remains are elsewhere. It is possible for a deceased person to have multiple memorials due to having cenotaphs. Each headstone or marker (in different cemetery locations) should have its own memorial.

● Photos:
Do not copy my photos and use them on other memorials (you are attributing the photos as your own when you use them). Rules: "Contact the contributor directly to request permission to use the photo.... When you have permission to use a photo, we encourage you to add the source of the photo in the caption area so that there is proper credit given and people are aware of where the photo originated." You do NOT have my permission to use my photos on other memorials. This includes rival websites that are stealing the photos. The "Memorials with no grave photo" search feature is ineffective when an outdated photo from an older memorial is copied to a new memorial (usually the departed spouse). People prefer a newer photo with the death date inscribed. I do report copied photos and they are removed. One contributor unbelievably fulfilled a photo request with my gravestone photo from the memorial of the spouse that previously died.
With the photo enlargement feature on the memorials, I usually don't take close-up photos of a stone. To enlarge a photograph on a memorial page, click on the photo once to get a slightly larger photo (and to see a possible photo caption). Click on "View original" and this will enlarge it more. Then, clicking on this picture will increase it to full size.
If you have an issue with a photo, please click on the name of the contributor underneath the photo. I cannot remove photos from other contributors.
I generally photograph as-is. "Photograph the grave/gravesite 'in-situ', or as it appears in that moment in time. The purpose is to show the grave as it is, be it dirty, cluttered, broken, or pristine. It is not your job to clean it, clear it, fix it, or decorate it. The graves are not yours to do as you please. Remember, one person's 'good deed' just might be another person's vandalism. Go take lots of photos... but do it like an anthropologist and do not disturb the grave site."
–administrator AJ (prior to Ancestry)
I may add additional grave photos to a memorial for various reasons, including:
• Low quality; Find a Grave photo size at one time was a maximum of 250 KB (¼ MB). Photos actually had to be reduced to that now-small size.
• I've been requested to take newer/fresh/updated photos from both out-of-state and elderly people who can no longer visit the grave.
Currently, only two contributors were offended (more like livid) that I added newer photos to their memorials.

● Transfers:
Determine if you really need the memorial transferred to you for management. Only request a transfer if you have extensive changes to make to a memorial. You can add photos and suggest corrections without the need to manage a memorial. Simply having someone in your family tree is not sufficient to request a transfer. With millions of members, there will be many overlapping family trees and it would be impossible for all members to manage their entire tree. I've had distant relatives of the departed compete for the same memorial; I cannot please everyone. Typically, when I do transfer a memorial, either nothing is added to the memorial by the new manager (who may have added a few memorials on their own but have many managed due to transfers, then become inactive), or correct information is replaced with something absurd because the transferee is not closely related. At an earlier time, when the photo section was not for scanned documentation or obits, one contributor insisted that there was incorrect information on a memorial – and he should know because he's related. After sending a half-dozen documents to him, he admitted that he was wrong.

● Names:
The 'last name' on the memorial must match the name that is on the headstone (however, the powers that be often flout this guideline/rule). Find a Grave now allows, but does not require, more than one name in the last name field. "Last Name as you would find it on the tombstone. If the interred had more than one last name, they may be added to the last name field." Some obituary contributors (Ploppers) are persistent and want it done their way with several names in the last name field. My preference, as a gravestone photo contributor, is to include any other married names as part of the biography section. I generally default to the marker and respect both the first and last names the person and/or family chose to have on the marker. Otherwise, it increases the chances of a duplicate memorial being created.

● Rank:
I add rank only for armed services personnel that either died in service or retired from a military career. When entering civilian life after a brief time in service, most people do not carry the rank with them. A post from the forum: "The military headstone will say something like 'John Doe PFC US Army' but that does not mean I should enter it as 'PFC John Doe' (who died aged 80)." See the profiles of contributors L Evans (47943698) or '1A.JEGriffith (50037017)* listed below in "Following" for the military rules on rank usages. Click "View All."

● GPS: (Global Positioning System, not Genealogical Proof Standard)
The memorial GPS burial coordinates help anyone to visit the grave by walking directly to it; it's not for entering the general coordinates of the cemetery.

● Member Search:
Click here or click "Find a member" below.

● Bios worth reading:
Tim Gruber (47185765); L Evans (47943698); ChuckNorris (46884447); Connie (47390019); Liz Olmstead (46772820); Mr. Ed (35186547); archivemaster (47523570) in "Following" below. Click "View All."

● Common Issues:
· Wood County Cemetery (no longer used for interments) in Wood County, Wisconsin should not be confused with Wood National Cemetery in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin.
· A south Wood County, Wisconsin burial would likely be at Saint Johns Lutheran Parish Cemetery in Portage County, Wisconsin, not Saint Johns Lutheran Cemetery in Wood County, Wisconsin.
· A death occurring in Rome, Adams County, Wisconsin will likely be stated as Nekoosa, Wood County, Wisconsin in the obit (the postal address).

For the newer members asking: Message/email contact has been disabled for my own sanity. You'll likely do it too in a matter of time. (One example: I received about a dozen messages from the same person, with one different edit at a time, then the final message was to transfer the memorial.)

Cemetery theft video: (copy & paste)
https://www.wkow.com/news/monroe-woman-accused-of-selling-items-stolen-from-local-cemeteries/article_30bd68fc-8c90-11ed-95a1-e371c83a6fd1.html

*Note: The public name for this contributor often changes.

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Denial message:
I won't be changing it. I like the way I entered it, thanks.
(Taken from the bio of an Australian contributor.)

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