PLEASE VISIT KEYSER-COUNTS.ORG
FOR THE MOST IN-DEPTH, UP TO DATE INFORMATION & https://sites.google.com/view/john-counts/home?fbclid=IwAR2tp4lSaxHwjXh0CY09n52M8Dzjc7vT-eD7uGiofOt_16THpdI_y8D6jl0&mibextid=q5o4bk
FACTS TO PONDER:
Our John & Mary Counts:
1. Did NOT have children that were born or who died in the Carolina's
2. Our John & Mary have NOT yet been documented to have lived anywhere
other than -
(A) Hawksbill Creek in Frederick County( became Shenandoah, became Page Co. VA in 1765
(B) in Glade Hollow, Russell County, VA beginning in 1789
(C) Died in 1803 (JC Sr) and 1814 (Mary)
3. Our John Counts is NOT DNA compatible with the line of Nicolas X Counts.
4. Their origins prior to about 1749 (thanks to Counts kin and researcher, Brett Compton, locating legal paperwork dated 1749) are TOTALLY UNKNOWN.
(A) Their dates and places of birth are UNKNOWN.
(B) Their parents and siblings are UNKNOWN.
(C) Even the birth dates and places of birth for most of their children are UNKNOWN.
This is not an oversight or a failure to research. It simply means that the quest to fill in the blanks with undocumented information comes from a zeal to know without proof and not taking into account the various unrelated John Counts' living in the Shenandoah Valley during the mid 1700's.
Indepth research by a team of dedicated Counts descendant researchers has been done is still being done (1/2023) for the last few years and is led by the same researcher who found the origins of John Counts son-in/law, Jacob Rasnake, Marie Rasnick Fetzer. Additionally, Sharon Bogue Lemkuil, Brett Compton and Chad Counts are contributing their research findings.
in an effort to clarify the various Counts lines that are not related to this particular John Counts and to ferret out our own John Counts, documents are still being located and scoured. University of VA library holdings are being examined. Lastly, even an overseas researcher was utilized. It will prove to be the most exhaustive attempt since E.J. Sutherland first looked for the origins of John & Mary Counts.
ALL NEW DOCUMENTED FINDINGS will be documented on the website: kayser-counts.org
*******
5. LETS DISCUSS THE NAME OF SUMMERS:
After researching thoroughly, historian and genealogist, E.J. Sutherland did NOT locate the maiden name for Mary Magdeline Counts.
6. Several places on the internet including Ancestry are saying our Marys maiden name was SUMMERS without identifying any proof or documentation.
7. The undocumented name of "SUMMERS" as Mary's maiden name was recently discovered in 2020 by myself as having being included in the
second volume of Sutherland's book, Some Descendants of John Counts
of Glade Hollow. With absolutely no fanfare that her maiden name had purportedly finally been discovered, the name of Summers was casually included in the book by a Counts kin.
8. When that family member was contacted by myself she revealed that
someone else had supplied that name and she had simply provided it for
the book, apparently not realizing the monumental significance in filling in this detail.
9. When that other someone was then specifically contacted, she admitted
that she had been researching a "DIFFERENT Mary" and someone else had taken her notes and put them "somewhere" on the internet.
10. This undocumented information for a "DIFFERENT Mary" has been oft
repeated but NEVER PROVEN.
By Phyllis Counts, 6x great granddaughter of John & Mary Counts, 2/7/2021.∼E. J. Sutherland read the original old gravestone as "JUNE 25TH 1814 MARY COUNTS WAS BORN 1722"
Mary Magdalene, whose surname has not been proven and is unknown at this time but was often seen as "Summers" in the past, is the wife of John Counts, Sr. who lived in what is now Page County, VA along the Hawksbill Creek near it's mouth and who moved to Glade Hollow in Russell Co., VA where they both died and are buried.
The children of John Counts, Sr. and Mary Magdalene his wife are:
Eve COUNTS Maddox (wife of Matthew Maddox) Eve was named "Oldest daughter"
Philip COUNTS, known as KOUNTZ, (husband of Anna KAYSER, known as KISER, daughter of Carl Sebastian KAYSER AKA: Charles Kayser)
Note: This Philip COUNTS or KOUNTZ (1764-1843) is a different man than the Philip COONTZ (1764-1857) of Barbour Co., VA (WV) who married 1) Mary Heflebower and 2) Barbary Barnhouse
Mary "Mollie" COUNTS Rarsnake or Rasnake (wife of Jacob Rasnake)
John COUNTS, Jr. (husband of Margaret "Peggy" Kelly)
Elizabeth "Lissy" COUNTS Willard (wife of Henry Willard)
Christina COUNTS Lang (wife of Elijah Lang)
Catherine COUNTS Peters, Gray (wife of Michael Peters and John Gray)
George COUNTS (husband of Eve Haynes)
There is a Mary Magdalene Summer (1782-1849) that married a John Counts (1777-1838). This may be where people are getting the Summer/Counts connection. They were from South Carolina and are definitely from a different generation.
FOR THE MOST IN-DEPTH, UP TO DATE INFORMATION & https://sites.google.com/view/john-counts/home?fbclid=IwAR2tp4lSaxHwjXh0CY09n52M8Dzjc7vT-eD7uGiofOt_16THpdI_y8D6jl0&mibextid=q5o4bk
FACTS TO PONDER:
Our John & Mary Counts:
1. Did NOT have children that were born or who died in the Carolina's
2. Our John & Mary have NOT yet been documented to have lived anywhere
other than -
(A) Hawksbill Creek in Frederick County( became Shenandoah, became Page Co. VA in 1765
(B) in Glade Hollow, Russell County, VA beginning in 1789
(C) Died in 1803 (JC Sr) and 1814 (Mary)
3. Our John Counts is NOT DNA compatible with the line of Nicolas X Counts.
4. Their origins prior to about 1749 (thanks to Counts kin and researcher, Brett Compton, locating legal paperwork dated 1749) are TOTALLY UNKNOWN.
(A) Their dates and places of birth are UNKNOWN.
(B) Their parents and siblings are UNKNOWN.
(C) Even the birth dates and places of birth for most of their children are UNKNOWN.
This is not an oversight or a failure to research. It simply means that the quest to fill in the blanks with undocumented information comes from a zeal to know without proof and not taking into account the various unrelated John Counts' living in the Shenandoah Valley during the mid 1700's.
Indepth research by a team of dedicated Counts descendant researchers has been done is still being done (1/2023) for the last few years and is led by the same researcher who found the origins of John Counts son-in/law, Jacob Rasnake, Marie Rasnick Fetzer. Additionally, Sharon Bogue Lemkuil, Brett Compton and Chad Counts are contributing their research findings.
in an effort to clarify the various Counts lines that are not related to this particular John Counts and to ferret out our own John Counts, documents are still being located and scoured. University of VA library holdings are being examined. Lastly, even an overseas researcher was utilized. It will prove to be the most exhaustive attempt since E.J. Sutherland first looked for the origins of John & Mary Counts.
ALL NEW DOCUMENTED FINDINGS will be documented on the website: kayser-counts.org
*******
5. LETS DISCUSS THE NAME OF SUMMERS:
After researching thoroughly, historian and genealogist, E.J. Sutherland did NOT locate the maiden name for Mary Magdeline Counts.
6. Several places on the internet including Ancestry are saying our Marys maiden name was SUMMERS without identifying any proof or documentation.
7. The undocumented name of "SUMMERS" as Mary's maiden name was recently discovered in 2020 by myself as having being included in the
second volume of Sutherland's book, Some Descendants of John Counts
of Glade Hollow. With absolutely no fanfare that her maiden name had purportedly finally been discovered, the name of Summers was casually included in the book by a Counts kin.
8. When that family member was contacted by myself she revealed that
someone else had supplied that name and she had simply provided it for
the book, apparently not realizing the monumental significance in filling in this detail.
9. When that other someone was then specifically contacted, she admitted
that she had been researching a "DIFFERENT Mary" and someone else had taken her notes and put them "somewhere" on the internet.
10. This undocumented information for a "DIFFERENT Mary" has been oft
repeated but NEVER PROVEN.
By Phyllis Counts, 6x great granddaughter of John & Mary Counts, 2/7/2021.∼E. J. Sutherland read the original old gravestone as "JUNE 25TH 1814 MARY COUNTS WAS BORN 1722"
Mary Magdalene, whose surname has not been proven and is unknown at this time but was often seen as "Summers" in the past, is the wife of John Counts, Sr. who lived in what is now Page County, VA along the Hawksbill Creek near it's mouth and who moved to Glade Hollow in Russell Co., VA where they both died and are buried.
The children of John Counts, Sr. and Mary Magdalene his wife are:
Eve COUNTS Maddox (wife of Matthew Maddox) Eve was named "Oldest daughter"
Philip COUNTS, known as KOUNTZ, (husband of Anna KAYSER, known as KISER, daughter of Carl Sebastian KAYSER AKA: Charles Kayser)
Note: This Philip COUNTS or KOUNTZ (1764-1843) is a different man than the Philip COONTZ (1764-1857) of Barbour Co., VA (WV) who married 1) Mary Heflebower and 2) Barbary Barnhouse
Mary "Mollie" COUNTS Rarsnake or Rasnake (wife of Jacob Rasnake)
John COUNTS, Jr. (husband of Margaret "Peggy" Kelly)
Elizabeth "Lissy" COUNTS Willard (wife of Henry Willard)
Christina COUNTS Lang (wife of Elijah Lang)
Catherine COUNTS Peters, Gray (wife of Michael Peters and John Gray)
George COUNTS (husband of Eve Haynes)
There is a Mary Magdalene Summer (1782-1849) that married a John Counts (1777-1838). This may be where people are getting the Summer/Counts connection. They were from South Carolina and are definitely from a different generation.
PLEASE VISIT KEYSER-COUNTS.ORG
FOR THE MOST IN-DEPTH, UP TO DATE INFORMATION & https://sites.google.com/view/john-counts/home?fbclid=IwAR2tp4lSaxHwjXh0CY09n52M8Dzjc7vT-eD7uGiofOt_16THpdI_y8D6jl0&mibextid=q5o4bk
FACTS TO PONDER:
Our John & Mary Counts:
1. Did NOT have children that were born or who died in the Carolina's
2. Our John & Mary have NOT yet been documented to have lived anywhere
other than -
(A) Hawksbill Creek in Frederick County( became Shenandoah, became Page Co. VA in 1765
(B) in Glade Hollow, Russell County, VA beginning in 1789
(C) Died in 1803 (JC Sr) and 1814 (Mary)
3. Our John Counts is NOT DNA compatible with the line of Nicolas X Counts.
4. Their origins prior to about 1749 (thanks to Counts kin and researcher, Brett Compton, locating legal paperwork dated 1749) are TOTALLY UNKNOWN.
(A) Their dates and places of birth are UNKNOWN.
(B) Their parents and siblings are UNKNOWN.
(C) Even the birth dates and places of birth for most of their children are UNKNOWN.
This is not an oversight or a failure to research. It simply means that the quest to fill in the blanks with undocumented information comes from a zeal to know without proof and not taking into account the various unrelated John Counts' living in the Shenandoah Valley during the mid 1700's.
Indepth research by a team of dedicated Counts descendant researchers has been done is still being done (1/2023) for the last few years and is led by the same researcher who found the origins of John Counts son-in/law, Jacob Rasnake, Marie Rasnick Fetzer. Additionally, Sharon Bogue Lemkuil, Brett Compton and Chad Counts are contributing their research findings.
in an effort to clarify the various Counts lines that are not related to this particular John Counts and to ferret out our own John Counts, documents are still being located and scoured. University of VA library holdings are being examined. Lastly, even an overseas researcher was utilized. It will prove to be the most exhaustive attempt since E.J. Sutherland first looked for the origins of John & Mary Counts.
ALL NEW DOCUMENTED FINDINGS will be documented on the website: kayser-counts.org
*******
5. LETS DISCUSS THE NAME OF SUMMERS:
After researching thoroughly, historian and genealogist, E.J. Sutherland did NOT locate the maiden name for Mary Magdeline Counts.
6. Several places on the internet including Ancestry are saying our Marys maiden name was SUMMERS without identifying any proof or documentation.
7. The undocumented name of "SUMMERS" as Mary's maiden name was recently discovered in 2020 by myself as having being included in the
second volume of Sutherland's book, Some Descendants of John Counts
of Glade Hollow. With absolutely no fanfare that her maiden name had purportedly finally been discovered, the name of Summers was casually included in the book by a Counts kin.
8. When that family member was contacted by myself she revealed that
someone else had supplied that name and she had simply provided it for
the book, apparently not realizing the monumental significance in filling in this detail.
9. When that other someone was then specifically contacted, she admitted
that she had been researching a "DIFFERENT Mary" and someone else had taken her notes and put them "somewhere" on the internet.
10. This undocumented information for a "DIFFERENT Mary" has been oft
repeated but NEVER PROVEN.
By Phyllis Counts, 6x great granddaughter of John & Mary Counts, 2/7/2021.∼E. J. Sutherland read the original old gravestone as "JUNE 25TH 1814 MARY COUNTS WAS BORN 1722"
Mary Magdalene, whose surname has not been proven and is unknown at this time but was often seen as "Summers" in the past, is the wife of John Counts, Sr. who lived in what is now Page County, VA along the Hawksbill Creek near it's mouth and who moved to Glade Hollow in Russell Co., VA where they both died and are buried.
The children of John Counts, Sr. and Mary Magdalene his wife are:
Eve COUNTS Maddox (wife of Matthew Maddox) Eve was named "Oldest daughter"
Philip COUNTS, known as KOUNTZ, (husband of Anna KAYSER, known as KISER, daughter of Carl Sebastian KAYSER AKA: Charles Kayser)
Note: This Philip COUNTS or KOUNTZ (1764-1843) is a different man than the Philip COONTZ (1764-1857) of Barbour Co., VA (WV) who married 1) Mary Heflebower and 2) Barbary Barnhouse
Mary "Mollie" COUNTS Rarsnake or Rasnake (wife of Jacob Rasnake)
John COUNTS, Jr. (husband of Margaret "Peggy" Kelly)
Elizabeth "Lissy" COUNTS Willard (wife of Henry Willard)
Christina COUNTS Lang (wife of Elijah Lang)
Catherine COUNTS Peters, Gray (wife of Michael Peters and John Gray)
George COUNTS (husband of Eve Haynes)
There is a Mary Magdalene Summer (1782-1849) that married a John Counts (1777-1838). This may be where people are getting the Summer/Counts connection. They were from South Carolina and are definitely from a different generation.
FOR THE MOST IN-DEPTH, UP TO DATE INFORMATION & https://sites.google.com/view/john-counts/home?fbclid=IwAR2tp4lSaxHwjXh0CY09n52M8Dzjc7vT-eD7uGiofOt_16THpdI_y8D6jl0&mibextid=q5o4bk
FACTS TO PONDER:
Our John & Mary Counts:
1. Did NOT have children that were born or who died in the Carolina's
2. Our John & Mary have NOT yet been documented to have lived anywhere
other than -
(A) Hawksbill Creek in Frederick County( became Shenandoah, became Page Co. VA in 1765
(B) in Glade Hollow, Russell County, VA beginning in 1789
(C) Died in 1803 (JC Sr) and 1814 (Mary)
3. Our John Counts is NOT DNA compatible with the line of Nicolas X Counts.
4. Their origins prior to about 1749 (thanks to Counts kin and researcher, Brett Compton, locating legal paperwork dated 1749) are TOTALLY UNKNOWN.
(A) Their dates and places of birth are UNKNOWN.
(B) Their parents and siblings are UNKNOWN.
(C) Even the birth dates and places of birth for most of their children are UNKNOWN.
This is not an oversight or a failure to research. It simply means that the quest to fill in the blanks with undocumented information comes from a zeal to know without proof and not taking into account the various unrelated John Counts' living in the Shenandoah Valley during the mid 1700's.
Indepth research by a team of dedicated Counts descendant researchers has been done is still being done (1/2023) for the last few years and is led by the same researcher who found the origins of John Counts son-in/law, Jacob Rasnake, Marie Rasnick Fetzer. Additionally, Sharon Bogue Lemkuil, Brett Compton and Chad Counts are contributing their research findings.
in an effort to clarify the various Counts lines that are not related to this particular John Counts and to ferret out our own John Counts, documents are still being located and scoured. University of VA library holdings are being examined. Lastly, even an overseas researcher was utilized. It will prove to be the most exhaustive attempt since E.J. Sutherland first looked for the origins of John & Mary Counts.
ALL NEW DOCUMENTED FINDINGS will be documented on the website: kayser-counts.org
*******
5. LETS DISCUSS THE NAME OF SUMMERS:
After researching thoroughly, historian and genealogist, E.J. Sutherland did NOT locate the maiden name for Mary Magdeline Counts.
6. Several places on the internet including Ancestry are saying our Marys maiden name was SUMMERS without identifying any proof or documentation.
7. The undocumented name of "SUMMERS" as Mary's maiden name was recently discovered in 2020 by myself as having being included in the
second volume of Sutherland's book, Some Descendants of John Counts
of Glade Hollow. With absolutely no fanfare that her maiden name had purportedly finally been discovered, the name of Summers was casually included in the book by a Counts kin.
8. When that family member was contacted by myself she revealed that
someone else had supplied that name and she had simply provided it for
the book, apparently not realizing the monumental significance in filling in this detail.
9. When that other someone was then specifically contacted, she admitted
that she had been researching a "DIFFERENT Mary" and someone else had taken her notes and put them "somewhere" on the internet.
10. This undocumented information for a "DIFFERENT Mary" has been oft
repeated but NEVER PROVEN.
By Phyllis Counts, 6x great granddaughter of John & Mary Counts, 2/7/2021.∼E. J. Sutherland read the original old gravestone as "JUNE 25TH 1814 MARY COUNTS WAS BORN 1722"
Mary Magdalene, whose surname has not been proven and is unknown at this time but was often seen as "Summers" in the past, is the wife of John Counts, Sr. who lived in what is now Page County, VA along the Hawksbill Creek near it's mouth and who moved to Glade Hollow in Russell Co., VA where they both died and are buried.
The children of John Counts, Sr. and Mary Magdalene his wife are:
Eve COUNTS Maddox (wife of Matthew Maddox) Eve was named "Oldest daughter"
Philip COUNTS, known as KOUNTZ, (husband of Anna KAYSER, known as KISER, daughter of Carl Sebastian KAYSER AKA: Charles Kayser)
Note: This Philip COUNTS or KOUNTZ (1764-1843) is a different man than the Philip COONTZ (1764-1857) of Barbour Co., VA (WV) who married 1) Mary Heflebower and 2) Barbary Barnhouse
Mary "Mollie" COUNTS Rarsnake or Rasnake (wife of Jacob Rasnake)
John COUNTS, Jr. (husband of Margaret "Peggy" Kelly)
Elizabeth "Lissy" COUNTS Willard (wife of Henry Willard)
Christina COUNTS Lang (wife of Elijah Lang)
Catherine COUNTS Peters, Gray (wife of Michael Peters and John Gray)
George COUNTS (husband of Eve Haynes)
There is a Mary Magdalene Summer (1782-1849) that married a John Counts (1777-1838). This may be where people are getting the Summer/Counts connection. They were from South Carolina and are definitely from a different generation.
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