Margaret Louise “Peg” <I>Brown</I> Talmadge

Margaret Louise “Peg” Brown Talmadge

Birth
New York, USA
Death 29 Sep 1933 (aged 68)
Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Burial Hollywood, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Memorial ID 6543956 · View Source
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I am researching and related to the CT-OH Curtiss family line of of which Fred's maternal gmo. stems: sources below are 1920's passports, census, city directories, birth and death records, familysearch.org and HeritageQuest. This bio will focus more on family life.

According to her death certificate, Margaret was born 3 Nov 1864, Govenors Island, NY, (an Army base at that time), daughter of Frank BROWN and ? Jose (to be researched, cannot find a Margaret with Frank Brown), in 1900 census she lists them both born Ireland, thereafter New York. Her daughters death certificates confuse her being born in Spain and her maiden name being Jose, possibly that was Margaret's mother, 1870 & '80 census to be checked. Her year of birth changes each census: 1861, 1863, 1864, 1867, and her headstone has 1870. daughters changed their dates but hard to argue with 1900 census.

in a familysearch.org, the only surname close to "Jose" with Brown marriage is
GROOM: Joannes Franciscum Brown, 3 Jan 1858, Buffalo, Erie, New York,
Father's Name: Petri Stephani and Mother's Name: Mariae Josephae Noirat
BRIDE: Maria Anna Florentina Joset (1855 1 Julia Joset from France in NY)
Father's Name: Henrici AND Mother's Name: Margaretha Girardin

She married at age 29, 1893 to CT-born and raised, 24yo, Frederick J Talmadge, the only child of CT-born, John W. and Martha (Curtiss) Talmadge of Bristol, Hartford Co, CT.

Why did Fred move to NYC? The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY (according to Norma's 1924 passport application and census) had three daughters by 1900. According to 1900 Brooklyn, NY the family is boarding at 258-59th st with the Alexander family: Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents. DOB of daughters is: Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ, Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY, Constance, April 29, 1898 NY. Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, read on.

1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", by her design or Norma's?

1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. CT grandfather John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house"
1916 Norma marries 25 yrs senior, movie producer, Russian emigrant (1893), Joseph Michael Schenck, under research when they moved to CA, for sure by 1921, div. 1934

1920, Margaret, Natalie and Constance are living at 763 Fifth Ave, across the street from southern-most Central Park, Constance lists in 1920 passport living in Hotel Savoy because Constance is making one movie after another. From another story, Margaret identified husband, Fred, on a park bench in New York, a drunken vagrant - were they walking in the park near their home? Constance insisted they rescue him and he later got work on film crews from son-in-law movie producer, Joseph Schenck.

1920 Constance applied for a passport which had a photo of her father and his address of 304 State St, Brooklyn, NY. She is living at the Hotel Savoy, NY and occupation is "motion picture star", Dec. 29 newspaper announces marriage to 26yo Turkish-born, wealthy, recent (1912) emigrant, owner of Pialoglous Tobacco Co. on 1 Liberty St , John J Pialoglous, reported they were equally wealth as she makes $250K/yr and the numerous movies she had made by then, they lived apart from April, 1921 when she moved to CA and he did not, he married a woman from Greece 1922 and opened a greek restaurant, Silver Grill in Massena, NY.
1921, Natalie marries 26yo Joseph "Buster" Keaton, 2 sons, div. 1931, never remarries.
June, according to Fred's death certificate, he moved to CA.

1922 Natalie has retired and lists herself a housewife in her 2 sons birth cert., living at 59 W. Mooreland Place, L.A., div. 1931, raised her sons northenmost Malibu,
Constance files div. 5-1922 due to cruelty
1924 the whole family applies for passports.
1925 Fred dies, Margaret uses her maiden name. Frederick Talmadge died at the brand new Chase Diet Sanatorium of nephritis, Norma was generous in paying for his care and burying him in the family crypt, since 1922 they had owned the Ralph's grocery magnet's mansion on Hollywood Blvd/Fuller Ave (now an apartment).
1926-paternal grandmother, Martha Culver-Talmadge dies January.
Constance married 2nd time to Scottish Alistair MacIntosh, returned from honeymoon stating she would seek a Edinburgh divorce on grounds of his adultry, granted 1927.
1929 Constance marries 3rd husband: wealthy, recent divorced (over their affair) Townsend Netcher, who had been a Chicago VP of family owned, The Boston Store, retired by 40 and living off his company interest. live in Holmby Hills by UCLA,
1930-none of them found in census so far. connie is divorced, Buster is living in an apt by Pershing Sq.
1931 Margaret has breast cancer, removing the left breast, but cancer metasticis to her lungs, killing her in 1933. death cert. listed she lived with at Townsend's 1020 Ocean Front at Santa Monica near 3rd St Promenade and famous Pier.
1934 Norma divorces Joseph after her mother dies, remarried 2 wks later at New Jersey by the mayor to Geo. Jessel. Now retired, proported to have made $7500/wk at the height of career.
1939 Connie divorces Netcher 1-'39 after 2.5y marital desertion, remarries in 2 weeks to Walter Giblin, Townsend married medical heiress, Norma Florence Hall. Norma divorces Jessel.
1940 Natalie is raising her teen sons by Leo Carrillo state park, Malibu, next door is Anatole Litvak, amazing she didn't get back into "the biz", none found in census.
1946 Norma marries Dr James,
1957 Norma dies of a stroke

News papers report that both Constance and Norma owned their own production companies.
https://wfpp.columbia.edu/pioneer/ccp-constance-talmadge-and-norma-talmadge/

TALMADGE FAMILY CRYPT:Abbey of the Psalms Mausoleum, G-7 Shrine of Eternal Love
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Walter M. Giblin 1901-1964

Constance Talmadge Giblin
b:4-19-1903 Brooklyn NY
d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
m: Walter M. Giblin

Natalie M. Talmadge 1900-1969
m:1921 to Buster Keaton div: 1932
sons: Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922
Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924

Norma Talmadge James
b:5-26-1987, Jersey City NJ
d:12-24-1957, Las Vegas
1stm:10-1917 to Joseph Schenck 1877-1961, movie producer
2ndm: George Gessel div: 1939, comedian/philanthropist
3rdm 1946: Dr. Carvel M. James 1902-1980


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b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ
d:12-24-1957 Las Vegas
BIRTH IS 30 YEARS after DEATH: Norma Marie Talmadge was born 02 May 1894;
Constance Alice born 19 Apr 1898; Natalie Talmadge 29 Apr 1896

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  • Maintained by: Ronni Croft
  • Originally Created by: James Seidelman
  • Added: 24 Jun 2002
  • Find a Grave Memorial 6543956
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed ), memorial page for Margaret Louise “Peg” Brown Talmadge (3 Nov 1864–29 Sep 1933), Find a Grave Memorial no. 6543956, citing Hollywood Forever, Hollywood, Los Angeles County, California, USA ; Maintained by Ronni Croft (contributor 49316328) .