Frederick J. Talmadge

Frederick J. Talmadge

Birth
Bristol, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA
Death 15 Nov 1925 (aged 55–56)
Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Burial Hollywood, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Plot Abbey of the Palms Mausoleum, G-7 Shrine of Eternal Love,Right Side Facing East (Towards Window)
Memorial ID 6543954 · View Source
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Fred's family history books found on archive.org:
The Talmadge, Tallmadge, and Talmage Genealogy by Arthur White Talmadge Genealogy
Families of ancient New Haven,by Jacobus,, has much family history stemming from #46895539 of New Haven Co, CT.

Fred's lineage is: Nathaniel/John #38060432/Josiah I needs FAG/Josiah II/Josiah III,Caleb/Lucius/ John W: For four generations 1650-1735: Nathaniel to Josiah I, the Talmadge's live East Hampton, LI, NY. Josiah II marries and moves 1735 to Branford, CT: from there, Talmadges will branch out, this line moves: Wallingford to Cheshire to Oxford to Prospect. John W Talmadge, born Oxford, CT, where his parents lived 1832-1847, then to Prospect, CT. He would move to Burlington, CT to meet Martha A. Culver, (Abel Culver/Chloe Curtiss ((Solomon and ?)), family under research, who grew up in Burlington, CT with 2 sisters, one her twin, married at Burlington, CT 1864 then move to Plainville, CT. Martha's mother's Curtiss/Curtis is another Colonial history family.

1860 Martha, Burlington, John, Prospect: each at home with their parents
1870 Bristol, CT the couple live with their only child, Fredrick where he is born
1880 Plainville, CT with his parents, their only child, boarders of the Hastings family,
1890 Fred would be 22, when did he move to NY or NJ? married Margaret 1893,
According to 1900 census, Fred was an only child.

3 daughters:

Norma Talmadge- James, b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ (1900 census lists 1894)
d:12-24-1957 of a heart attack, Las Vegas where she lived
1stm: 1916 to producer, Joseph Schenck, 1877-1961, div 1934
2ndm: 1934 to comedian George Gessel, div: 1939
3rdm: 1946 to her physician, Dr. Carvel James, 1902-1980

Natalie M. Talmadge 4-29-1900, Brooklyn, NY (1900 census list 1896), d. 1969
m:1921 to Buster Keaton, div: 1932 (1930 census he lists divorced and lives in apt), never remarried, lived Malibu and Santa Monica in property inherited from Norma
sons: Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922 and Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924

Constance Talmadge-Giblin , 4-19-1903, Brooklyn NY (1900 census lists 1898)
d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
1stm: 12-1920,John J Pialoglous, NY, div. 5-1922
2ndm: 1926, Alistair MacIntosh, Scotland, div. 1927
3rdm: 1929, Treadwell Netcher, L.A.,div. 1939
4thm: 1939, Walter Giblin, L.A.,

Why did Fred move to NYC? The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY (according to Norma's 1924 passport application and census) had three daughters by 1900. According to 1900 Brooklyn, NY the family is boarding at 258-59th st with the Alexander family: Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents. DOB of daughters is: Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ, Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY, Constance, April 29, 1898 NY. Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, read on.

1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", by her design or Norma's?

A known drunk, he left the family on Christmas Day in the early 1910's (family is together 1910 census) when he went out for food and never returned. Ten years later, Margaret identified him on a park bench in New York, a drunken vagrant. Constance insisted they rescue him and he later got work on film crews from Joseph Schenck.

1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. Fred's father, John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house"

He moved to California June 1921 with the family, died 1925 of nephritis at the brand new Chase Sanitarium. His mother died the year after.


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  • Originally Created by: James Seidelman
  • Added: 24 Jun 2002
  • Find a Grave Memorial 6543954
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed ), memorial page for Frederick J. Talmadge (1869–15 Nov 1925), Find a Grave Memorial no. 6543954, citing Hollywood Forever, Hollywood, Los Angeles County, California, USA ; Maintained by Ronni Croft (contributor 49316328) .