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Carlos Alexander Smith Noelle

Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara County, California, USA
Death 30 Oct 1978 (aged 74)
West Hollywood, Los Angeles County, California, USA
Burial Cremated, Ashes scattered, Specifically: Rosedale Crematory 11/3/1978. Ashes Scattered by Son Carlos
Memorial ID 140455519 · View Source
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Carlos Smith Noelle was born Carlos Alexander Smith in Santa Barbara, California. The second child of Alejandro Smith and Elsie Double (married in Santa Barbara 27 September 1902). Carl was the grandson of a Californio, Pilar Ortega Smith (a direct descendant of the "Path Finder" José Francisco Ortega who arrived in San Francisco [Yerba Buena] in 1769 with the Portola Expedition). His mother was a French/Basque woman from Mazatlán, Sinaloa, Mexico who arrived in California after 1880.

1910 - Census (head) Elsie Smith F 30y Mexico, (D) Carmen Smith F 7y California (S) Carlos Smith M 6y California (D) Estella Smith F 3y California (mother) Sarah Double F 60y Mexico (sister) Carmen Malacara F 36y Mexico (nephew) Louis Martinez M 20y California Mamie Vives F 40y France

Carl is listed on the 1910 census in Los Angeles California with his Mother, his sisters, his maternal grandmother, his aunt, a cousin and a house keeper. The household spoke French, Spanish and English.

Carl's father, Alex Smith is listed as living with his sister, Francisca Smith Fulton Tercis and her family in San Luis Obispo 15 April 1910. Carl's brother Richard was born 30 June 1910 so the separation of Elsie and Alex must have been sometime between (October 1909 but before 15 April 1910)

1920 - Census (head) Elsie D Smith F 41y Mexico (S) Carl Smith M 16y California (S) Richard Smith M 9y California. I know Carl's sister Carmen was in Mexico at the conservatory studying music and living with her aunt as it states on her passport. I have no idea where Stella was at this time, perhaps with her sister?

Stella wasn’t with her father as he was living with his sister Augustias Smith Walker and her family in Santa Barbara in 1920.

From 1920-1925 Carl has several jobs. In the 1920 he working in a warehouse for props for the movie's later he is working with his step father at the Villa Art Gallery on the Plaza in LA. He is also working on one of the ranches that the movie studios use for filming “Cowboy and Indian” films with his Step-Uncle Hernando Gonzallo Villa. Elsie is a dress maker and I belive she makes costumes for movies.

1926 - On the 17 May 1926 Carl married Dorothee Hansen [Noelle Dolen Peterson] in Santa Ana Orange County California.

1928 - On 27 March 1928 in San Diego California, Carl and Dorothee got divorced.

1930 - Census states Carl is a salesman and is divorced.

1930 - Family Bible from Lilian Harris Greer says Eleanor Elbert Greer (Stage Name Gloria Greer) marries Carl Noelle July 19th 1930 in Mexico. I found record in US below.

1931 - On 28 January 1931 in Santa Ana California, Carl married Elbert Gloria Greer, an actress and singer. Shortly after the marriage the couple moved to Ashland, Jackson, Oregon to live with Gloria’s mother Lillian Harris Greer, where he took a job at The Ashland Tidings Newspaper owned by the family. In May, Gloria hemorrhages and gives birth to a son (my father) 10 days later she dies of an infection in the hospital.

1932 - Carl is working for his brother in law Harvey Russell Ling Sr on the Burbank Review News Paper. Harvey Russell Ling and Vivian Greer adopt Carlos Elbert Noelle and he becomes Carlos Noelle Ling.

1932 - Reno NV directory show Carl Noelle living in Reno (Courtesy of Ray Mullins #4771782 Lost2History.Wordpress.Com)

1935 - 17 October 1935 Houston TX Carl marries Marjorie Beebe
(Courtesy of Ray Mullins Lost2History.Wordpress.Com)

1939 - December Marjorie Beebe files for Divorce in Los Angeles - Carl's occupation photographer
(Courtesy of Ray Mullins #4771782 Lost2History.Wordpress.Com )

1942 - September 5 Carl and Marjorie get divorced
(Courtesy of Ray Mullins #4771782 Lost2History.Wordpress.Com)

1942 - Carl joins the US Navy. He is an aviation mechanic. 23 Oct 1942

1945 - Asheville, Buncombe, North Carolina, USA 30 Nov 1945 Carl is discharged from the US Navy

1950 - Works in movie business and art business

1960 - Key Grip in the movies

1970 - Works at Aaron Brother’s framing art

Arrangements made by: Reed Bros Mortuary - North Hollywood
Cremated: Rosedale Crematory 3 November 1978

The Smith Noelle name is confusing. When Captain Jean Noelle landed in Santa Barbara he changed his name to John Frances Smith / Juan Francisco Smith. He married Maria del Pilar Ortega as John Smith and she became a Smith [Santa Barbara Presidio Huntington database marriage record number 00215]. Alejandro their son was a Smith and his son Carlos was born a Smith. When Carlos became of age he changed his name from Carlos Alexander Smith to Carl Smith Noelle (he took back the family name so-to-speak)

Carmen Luisa Smith Ravize
Born 24 August 1903 Santa Barbara, California, USA
Died 1 August 1944 Los Angeles County California, USA

Carlos Alexander Smith "Carl Noelle"
Born 11 October 1904 Santa Barbara, California, USA
Died 30 October 1978 West Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, USA

Estella Smith Zenz Casas Dias
Born 15 January 1908 California, USA
Died 17 September 2000 Holland, Ottawa, Michigan, USA
Find A Grave Memorial# 49806914
[NOTE: Stella & Frank William Zenz died 8 October 1993 - Yucca Valley, San Bernardino, California, USA had *Twin's Alexander Richard Zenz Find A Grave Memorial# 84729838 and Frederick Joseph Zenz Death 9 March 2013 in Holland, Ottawa, Michigan, USA]

Richard Marshall Smith Noel
Born 30 June 1910 Los Angeles, California, USA (I know)
Died 22 July 2002 Redondo Beach, Los Angeles, California, USA (Assumption as I am not sure if this is the correct Richard Noel. I have found a Marshall Smith born the same day. I have never met him so I am not sure about him so I am only assuming that this is him. I have found two marriage certificates that are of him, hopefully I have the right dates and the right one)

Dorothee Hansen Noelle Dolen Peterson
Born 17 March 1908 Utah, USA
Died 7 May 1988 San Francisco, San Francisco, California, USA

Eleanor Elbert Gloria Greer Noelle (born Eleanor Elbert Greer stage name "Gloria Greer")
Born 7 March 1908 in Muskogee, Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA
Died 6 June 1931 in Jackson County, Oregon,

Marjorie Beebe Noelle Anderson
Born 9 October 1908 ln either Missouri or Michigan
Died 9 May 1983 in Escondido, San Diego, California, USA

Dorothee Hansen married Carl Smith Noelle 17 May 1926.
Dorothee Hansen married James Edward Dolen 30 May 1929.
Dorothee Hansen married William H Peterson 9 May 1942
Gloria Greer married Carl Smith Noelle twice 19 July 1930 in Mexico & 28 January 1931 in Los Angeles
Marjorie Beebe married Carl Smith Noelle 17 October 1935 in Houston Texas
Marjorie Beebe married Carl Willis Anderson 28 June 1944 in Los Angeles

[With Eleanor Elbert Gloria Greer Noelle AKA Gloria Greer]
Carlos Elbert Noelle Ling
[Nick Name "Kip"]
[Name at Birth - Carlos Elbert Noelle]
[Name at Death - Carlos Noelle Ling]
Born 28 May, 1931
Died 27 October 1998
Find A Grave Memorial# 921370

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  • Find A Grave Memorial 140455519
  • Find A Grave, database and images ( : accessed ), memorial page for Carlos Alexander Smith Noelle (11 Oct 1904–30 Oct 1978), Find A Grave Memorial no. 140455519, ; Maintained by LoriL4 (contributor 47242103) Cremated, Ashes scattered, who reports a Rosedale Crematory 11/3/1978. Ashes Scattered by Son Carlos.