Ronald Lucien “JR.” Poynter Sr.

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Ronald Lucien “JR.” Poynter Sr.

Birth
Kentucky, USA
Death
5 Sep 1997 (aged 63)
Adams County, Colorado, USA
Burial
Cremated, Ashes scattered Add to Map
Memorial ID
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UPDATE, AUGUST 2022: I have very politely asked again and again that Dad's information not be changed - his first name is listed incorrectly in many, many public records, and he never acknowledged 'Lucien'. I am his daughter, and I cannot comprehend the disrespect shown when information is 'guessed at' and "Well, the public record says this" is tossed up. The public records also state his last name as Paynter, Boynter, Pointer - on and on. Dad's birth certificate - which is noted in detail below, but nobody seems to read the bio information - was created only after he needed name and birth verification due to incarceration at a federal institution. It was guessed at then, and continues to fluctuate throughout Dad's Freedom of Information Act files. Another example of how strongly to hold public records as fact is that my own mother's maiden name is COMPLETELY incorrect in multiple records - I have no idea how that started, nor do I care. Again, public records are no more in a position to list "absolute" information as a total stranger is to message me about my own dead family members with "Well, I read this." I have requested that FG lock this memorial, as well as other immediate family members' pages, because of the opinions of complete strangers. I have also reported repeat issues with specific individuals 08 / 24 / 2022.

UPDATE, JULY 2022: I am going to leave my original - and ever growing - comments up noted below regarding Dad's birthdate (and actually, I did finally throw in the towel and post the FOIA information regarding Dad's birthdate, but I don't really put much faith in the info), birthplace, etc., but I would like to mention again that I do truly appreciate the FGravers who will send through info that they have found through diligence and hard work on sites such as Ancestry, ancestry.co.uk and old public records. However, these sites are rampant with third hand comment and information; a glaring example of this is that Dad was posted as being married in 1950, etc. etc. and a name (that I had never heard, before) was even posted. This was incorrect and impossible information, as Dad was already incarcerated in Ohio, and would be until the age of 21. I had to really start digging myself, then, after I saw this as I thought Well, maybe this happened between the sliver of time when he was first paroled and when he met Mom, but no, nothing has ever been verified. And Dad talked so much ("You're gonna write stories about ME? Lemme tell you about when me and Tucker were in Chicago..."), that I am positive he would have noted this to me. And so, even as I use those same sites in my own FGrave work, I tend to take their 'leads' carefully, and I check, and check, and check. Therefore, please do not take offense if I don't immediately accept suggestions regarding Dad's page, and in fact, other immediate family members' pages. I'm working on trying to get it right, and I appreciate those attempts to help me do so.

2021: After years of trying to correct and/or verify Dad's actual birthdate, I have decided to finally just list the FOIA information, which Dad himself, as well as the neighbour lady who originally gave the information as 'approximate', felt was incorrect. All surviving paperwork, incarceration files and so forth state it to be 17 December 1933, and the birthplace goes back and forth between Lamb, Bowling Green, etc. Dad always stated that he was from Harlan County plain and simple, though, and so I am leaving his birthplace as such. So for the first time since posting this memorial, Dad has his 'adopted' birthdate up, just in time for this year's birthday greetings! =)

❤ ❤ "We gotta go..." "Where we goin', man?" "I don't know, but we gotta go..." ~ JACK KEROUAC ❤❤

Jr. Poynter knew who Lenny Bruce, Bobby Kennedy and Jack Kerouac were, and what all three individuals meant to Freedom - whether freedom of speech, freedom of political choice or freedom of the road. His life was completely what he wanted and chose it to be from day to day, and this fact worked both for and against him; as his daughter, I am grateful for how he lived, and what he was not afraid to try, during his years on this earth. He was one of the most loyal friends you could ever have and he'd give a stranger his last five dollars; when he realized that I would make a career from writing about his life, his exploits and what it taught his children, he expressed doubt about some of the times we went through with him. To quote Dorothy from "Wizard of Oz", when telling of her trip over the rainbow - and I truly believe this - "...and what I remember is that some of it wasn't very nice, but - some of it was beautiful."

My father loved Hank Williams Sr., Johnny Cash (whom he drove all night to meet, loading us kids and Mom into the car, never thinking that Johnny might not want to meet US...and Johnny and June DID meet us, and welcome us into their home), George Jones, Merle Haggard, Vern Gosdin and Jimmie Rodgers ('The Singing Brakeman'), and every year on the anniversary, we play all those singers, closing with Jimmie Rodgers' words, "...I haven't got a nickel, not a penny to my name, I'm a thousand miles away from Home...but I'm waitin' for a train."

From a recently discovered manuscript, written by my mother, Jeannie: "Jr. told me from the moment we met that we were meant to be together; I skipped work the next day in hope that he would go away. Instead, he got my home address from my boss and showed up on my doorstep; I tried to fake the flu and coughed and wretched as this handsome-as-Hollywood man watched with amusement. When I realized that it wasn't working, I sighed and asked, "Now what?" Jr. looked me in the eye and said, "Now we're together, forever." Being a writer myself, that paragraph rings completely true, and Mom did a wonderful job summing up the next 40 years of life with Jr. Poynter.

I have a folder of my father's letters and thoughts, written immediately after my brother Ron's death; Dad was on 'borrowed time' at that point and literally months from ending up in a waking coma following a brain hemorrhage, something that he would not recover from. The six months between Ron's death and Dad becoming a complete invalid were spent scribbling thoughts down, words, bits of memories - and Dad would ask me, "Will you keep this stuff? Maybe some good will come out of it."

I have kept it all, and much of it would be too private and painful to share on a public site, but I am very proud of my father for realizing, even at a somewhat late point in his life, where his choices had led him, us, anybody fated to get close to us. One brief recollection that I did not have to edit in any way - the truest words are the first ones, in my opinion - is the following piece, that my dad simply titled "Georgia called today":

Georgia called/and I couldn't think about/anything else/for the rest of the day/I walked around and/tried to shake it off/went downtown and talked to Tommy/and the others/told them all about/Georgia calling/Tommy said/ooheee man/you know you're gonna go/and Tucker said/now Jr. why you even hanging round/and we all tried to remember whether/last time if it was/Michigan or St. Louis/but in the end/none of that really/mattered/by nightfall with the moon high over my shoulder/I was on that train to/Macon.
(by Ronald Lucien Poynter, Sr. - all rights reserved)

I feel that this thought specifically addressed that Dad knew who he was, what he was going to do, and that he was both grateful, and weary, of his fate. A small collection of his thoughts that I privately printed in 1997 in his memory was sent free of charge to juvenile delinquency programs and prisons.

A good man with character, and who loved his children, Jr. was cremated, his ashes scattered at his son Ron's grave in Rochester, Minnesota.

LIGHTING A CANDLE FOR MY FATHER, ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH

This is not a sure bet on a
Pony, nor a call back to the
Boys in Chicago:
This isn't thunder rolling over
New Orleans,
Where we got in with an empty
Tank, and a couple of names.
This is not what you turned to,
Although that's all you wanted
Once you buried your
Youngest:
It's just me with one foot on
Beelzebub's wing so that,
Even now, you can pack up and
Run, Daddy, run.

--Rhonda C. Poynter (Previously published, all rights reserved)

'Show me a hero, and I'll write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

NOTE: Many of these images are presently being restored, after my own copies were damaged in a fire; restored images will be published as soon as they are available...I actually have left a couple up as is (even after getting repaired copies for my own albums), because I'm a poet, and really believe that the pictures tell the story.
❤ ❤ ❊❊❊❤ ❤

UPDATE, AUGUST 2022: I have very politely asked again and again that Dad's information not be changed - his first name is listed incorrectly in many, many public records, and he never acknowledged 'Lucien'. I am his daughter, and I cannot comprehend the disrespect shown when information is 'guessed at' and "Well, the public record says this" is tossed up. The public records also state his last name as Paynter, Boynter, Pointer - on and on. Dad's birth certificate - which is noted in detail below, but nobody seems to read the bio information - was created only after he needed name and birth verification due to incarceration at a federal institution. It was guessed at then, and continues to fluctuate throughout Dad's Freedom of Information Act files. Another example of how strongly to hold public records as fact is that my own mother's maiden name is COMPLETELY incorrect in multiple records - I have no idea how that started, nor do I care. Again, public records are no more in a position to list "absolute" information as a total stranger is to message me about my own dead family members with "Well, I read this." I have requested that FG lock this memorial, as well as other immediate family members' pages, because of the opinions of complete strangers. I have also reported repeat issues with specific individuals 08 / 24 / 2022.

UPDATE, JULY 2022: I am going to leave my original - and ever growing - comments up noted below regarding Dad's birthdate (and actually, I did finally throw in the towel and post the FOIA information regarding Dad's birthdate, but I don't really put much faith in the info), birthplace, etc., but I would like to mention again that I do truly appreciate the FGravers who will send through info that they have found through diligence and hard work on sites such as Ancestry, ancestry.co.uk and old public records. However, these sites are rampant with third hand comment and information; a glaring example of this is that Dad was posted as being married in 1950, etc. etc. and a name (that I had never heard, before) was even posted. This was incorrect and impossible information, as Dad was already incarcerated in Ohio, and would be until the age of 21. I had to really start digging myself, then, after I saw this as I thought Well, maybe this happened between the sliver of time when he was first paroled and when he met Mom, but no, nothing has ever been verified. And Dad talked so much ("You're gonna write stories about ME? Lemme tell you about when me and Tucker were in Chicago..."), that I am positive he would have noted this to me. And so, even as I use those same sites in my own FGrave work, I tend to take their 'leads' carefully, and I check, and check, and check. Therefore, please do not take offense if I don't immediately accept suggestions regarding Dad's page, and in fact, other immediate family members' pages. I'm working on trying to get it right, and I appreciate those attempts to help me do so.

2021: After years of trying to correct and/or verify Dad's actual birthdate, I have decided to finally just list the FOIA information, which Dad himself, as well as the neighbour lady who originally gave the information as 'approximate', felt was incorrect. All surviving paperwork, incarceration files and so forth state it to be 17 December 1933, and the birthplace goes back and forth between Lamb, Bowling Green, etc. Dad always stated that he was from Harlan County plain and simple, though, and so I am leaving his birthplace as such. So for the first time since posting this memorial, Dad has his 'adopted' birthdate up, just in time for this year's birthday greetings! =)

❤ ❤ "We gotta go..." "Where we goin', man?" "I don't know, but we gotta go..." ~ JACK KEROUAC ❤❤

Jr. Poynter knew who Lenny Bruce, Bobby Kennedy and Jack Kerouac were, and what all three individuals meant to Freedom - whether freedom of speech, freedom of political choice or freedom of the road. His life was completely what he wanted and chose it to be from day to day, and this fact worked both for and against him; as his daughter, I am grateful for how he lived, and what he was not afraid to try, during his years on this earth. He was one of the most loyal friends you could ever have and he'd give a stranger his last five dollars; when he realized that I would make a career from writing about his life, his exploits and what it taught his children, he expressed doubt about some of the times we went through with him. To quote Dorothy from "Wizard of Oz", when telling of her trip over the rainbow - and I truly believe this - "...and what I remember is that some of it wasn't very nice, but - some of it was beautiful."

My father loved Hank Williams Sr., Johnny Cash (whom he drove all night to meet, loading us kids and Mom into the car, never thinking that Johnny might not want to meet US...and Johnny and June DID meet us, and welcome us into their home), George Jones, Merle Haggard, Vern Gosdin and Jimmie Rodgers ('The Singing Brakeman'), and every year on the anniversary, we play all those singers, closing with Jimmie Rodgers' words, "...I haven't got a nickel, not a penny to my name, I'm a thousand miles away from Home...but I'm waitin' for a train."

From a recently discovered manuscript, written by my mother, Jeannie: "Jr. told me from the moment we met that we were meant to be together; I skipped work the next day in hope that he would go away. Instead, he got my home address from my boss and showed up on my doorstep; I tried to fake the flu and coughed and wretched as this handsome-as-Hollywood man watched with amusement. When I realized that it wasn't working, I sighed and asked, "Now what?" Jr. looked me in the eye and said, "Now we're together, forever." Being a writer myself, that paragraph rings completely true, and Mom did a wonderful job summing up the next 40 years of life with Jr. Poynter.

I have a folder of my father's letters and thoughts, written immediately after my brother Ron's death; Dad was on 'borrowed time' at that point and literally months from ending up in a waking coma following a brain hemorrhage, something that he would not recover from. The six months between Ron's death and Dad becoming a complete invalid were spent scribbling thoughts down, words, bits of memories - and Dad would ask me, "Will you keep this stuff? Maybe some good will come out of it."

I have kept it all, and much of it would be too private and painful to share on a public site, but I am very proud of my father for realizing, even at a somewhat late point in his life, where his choices had led him, us, anybody fated to get close to us. One brief recollection that I did not have to edit in any way - the truest words are the first ones, in my opinion - is the following piece, that my dad simply titled "Georgia called today":

Georgia called/and I couldn't think about/anything else/for the rest of the day/I walked around and/tried to shake it off/went downtown and talked to Tommy/and the others/told them all about/Georgia calling/Tommy said/ooheee man/you know you're gonna go/and Tucker said/now Jr. why you even hanging round/and we all tried to remember whether/last time if it was/Michigan or St. Louis/but in the end/none of that really/mattered/by nightfall with the moon high over my shoulder/I was on that train to/Macon.
(by Ronald Lucien Poynter, Sr. - all rights reserved)

I feel that this thought specifically addressed that Dad knew who he was, what he was going to do, and that he was both grateful, and weary, of his fate. A small collection of his thoughts that I privately printed in 1997 in his memory was sent free of charge to juvenile delinquency programs and prisons.

A good man with character, and who loved his children, Jr. was cremated, his ashes scattered at his son Ron's grave in Rochester, Minnesota.

LIGHTING A CANDLE FOR MY FATHER, ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS DEATH

This is not a sure bet on a
Pony, nor a call back to the
Boys in Chicago:
This isn't thunder rolling over
New Orleans,
Where we got in with an empty
Tank, and a couple of names.
This is not what you turned to,
Although that's all you wanted
Once you buried your
Youngest:
It's just me with one foot on
Beelzebub's wing so that,
Even now, you can pack up and
Run, Daddy, run.

--Rhonda C. Poynter (Previously published, all rights reserved)

'Show me a hero, and I'll write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald

NOTE: Many of these images are presently being restored, after my own copies were damaged in a fire; restored images will be published as soon as they are available...I actually have left a couple up as is (even after getting repaired copies for my own albums), because I'm a poet, and really believe that the pictures tell the story.


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