|June Brown (#48162695)|
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|I was born in Maryland in 1938. I completed the following degrees: BA in mathematics at Hood College, MEd at UNC and MA in mathematics at Northwestern Univ. My professional career included 26 years teaching, 10 of those in Austria and 5 in Germany. Following that I worked as a mathematician for the US government.|
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|Chuck Lewis||RE: Jefferson Henry Jackson Memorial|
Thanks. I found it on Ancestry. I appreciate your help.
|Chuck Lewis||Jefferson Henry Jackson Memorial|
The Jackson memorial that you created in Baltimore Cemetery says that he committed suicide in a NC jail in 1920. Where did you get that information? Do you perhaps have a newspaper article or obituary. I'm a Betz relative and have always wondered who the Jackson was that is buried in the Betz plot! Any insight would be appreciated.
|EddieM||Mary Minter Kelbaugh|
A sincere "Thank You" for taking the time to search. Sometimes no information is at least a partial answer in itself, because it verifies that nothing obvious was missed. I will continue the search for information on both of Noah's wives, and all of their children.
I have located another photo of Noah and have posted it on Findagrave.
Any Kelbaugh information I find will be forwarded to you.
Added by EddieM on Jun 23, 2016 9:25 AM
|EddieM||RE: Noah and Mary Kelbaugh|
The court depositions all give the date of Mary's death as December 21, 1877 and the location as "City of Baltimore, Maryland." They offer no other details. I have always assumed it was in the city, but I've tried in the county as well. I have searched for any evidence at the State Archives, Enoch Pratt library, the Baltimore Historical Society and the Baltimore Genealogical society. I have gone through the Sun newspaper, but only for the few months up to and after the death date. I have made a pretty good survey of the major cemeteries in the area going through their burial records. Western Cemetery was not cooperative in this. Of course if Mary died in poverty or in an institution there might be Alms House or Aslyum records, but I have never uncovered any them.
Added by EddieM on Jun 17, 2016 8:35 AM
|EddieM||Noah and Mary Kelbaugh|
June, that is an extremely kind and generous offer. My only trip to the Maryland archives was a bit of a disappointment because they were disorganized and unable to find the materials listed in their index.
The only thing I would really like to find is a death record for Noah's first wife, Mary Catherine Minter, born 1840 in Carroll County, MD. According to court affidavits she died in Baltimore on December 21, 1877. Her first husband was Noah KELBAUGH. Second husband was John GOODWIN. Third husband Emanuel TRINE. I have never found a trace of her under any surname.
My Maryland ancestry goes back to 1710 to what is now Carroll County. Many of my kin still live on their ancestral farms. The Kelbaugh line seems to be intertwined with my Trine, Leister and Minter ancestors both in marriage and business. Noah's first two children would have been direct relations to me, plus his first wife (Mary) became the second wife to my Great Great Grandfather. My own Grandmother was quite fond of the daughter of Noah and Mary, but apparently the daughter had no knowledge of either parent. I've always wondered what could have caused this lifetime estrangement between the parents and children.
Added by EddieM on Jun 13, 2016 6:50 PM
|EddieM||William H. Kelbaugh|
Thank you. I located the census record you mentioned.
The 1880 census census for Enoch Kelbaugh shows William H at age 21, but that has to be the other William which you have posted to Findagrave.
Since the 1870 census has William living with his uncle in Frederick county, I believe I will start looking in that county for more information. His sister resided in Frederick county so I will start with her family.
Added by EddieM on Jun 10, 2016 11:40 AM
Thank you for scanning the additional information to Noah's memorial. At some point in the future I might ask you to remove it, but for now it will be very helpful should anyone start to question Noah's lineage. Over the next few weeks I will attempt to locate and link his parents and children to the memorial. I've also requested a death certificate from Maryland.
Added by EddieM on Jun 09, 2016 7:47 AM
Thank you for your quick and informative reply. The Kelbaugh line can get confusing, as many of the generations had similar names. I do have access to Ancestry.com, but sometimes the information I locate is not correct.
My main focus here is Noah Kelbaugh, his two wives, and their combined children. Several years ago I had a Findagrave memorial posted to Noah, and I was immediately attacked by a Kelbaugh researcher. She was insistent that I had the burial place incorrect. The burial site was verified with the cemetery records, county records, and by contacting one of his descendants. Then the researcher insisted on linking Noah to people who were not his parents, and then to more people who were not his children (similar names.) Finally the editors at Findagrave asked me to temporarily take down the memorial. I did so, but after five years I have recreated it in an attempt to finish the story. I do know where his first daughter is (Julia Anne Rebecca Toms) and she will soon be linked to Noah's memorial. I too have lost the trail for the son, William Henry. It is possible that he died as a young boy. Also the first wife, Mary Catherine Minter, is lost to history as well.
What I need now it to locate the graves of John Henry Kelbaugh and Julianna Loveall Kelbaugh, whom I believe to be his parents. If I can link them to Noah, then perhaps I will not trigger so many negative responses. I thought the parents might be in Greenmount Cemetery in Hampstead, but I cannot confirm that.
I have also posted a photo of Noah on his Findagrave website, which was passed on to me in recent years. It was labeled as "Noah Kelbaugh and second wife Susan Rittenour." I only have that to use as verification.
Again, thank you for your help in clarifying who your William Henry Kelbaugh was.
Added by EddieM on Jun 08, 2016 10:00 AM
|EddieM||William Henry Kelbaugh (part two)|
June, I should have added this to my first note. It is entirely possible that the William Henry Kelbaugh you have listed is not the one I am looking for. I have located others with that same name, all born in Carroll County MD between 1856-1858. I am using the marriage and birth records from Carroll County to try and sort them out. Thank you for your patience.
Added by EddieM on Jun 07, 2016 9:23 AM
|EddieM||William Henry Kelbaugh|
This concerns the memorial you have created for William Henry Kelbaugh (Memorial# 113798529.)
I am wondering if you have any information concerning his parents? To the best of my knowledge, his father was Noah Kelbaugh and his mother was Mary Minter Kelbaugh. Somewhere in the late 1850s or early 1860s the marriage dissolved, and I believe that William and his sister were sent to live with his Grandparents. I know the burial location of Noah, but I am seeking the same for Mary. I have more facts and details but right now I am wondering if you have any knowledge of Mary Minter? Mary went on to be the second wife of my Great-Great Grandfather, but remains lost to history.
Added by EddieM on Jun 07, 2016 8:39 AM
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