|Tim Fahey (#48121306)|
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|Susan||RE: Nearly Found her|
My last name is Brehm, but I'm not german, my husband is, or at least his paternal grandfather was. My maiden name was Mills. My grandmother was a Thompson of Dutchess county. My 2nd cousin Gary is also a Thompson. His uncle Robert Thompson married Marjorie Ahearn, of whom he has nothing but good memories. I helped him track his family a number of years ago, which is why William P Fahey rang a bell with me when you wrote. If by any chance you have any idea where Marjorie's son Robert Thompson is, let me know and you will cause great glee in New Mexico where Gary lives. He's been trying to track Robert down for a number of years. He figures he's somewhere in Florida, but Florida is a big place.
I don't actually live in Pine Plains. I live about 30 minutes south in Pawling. But all my distant ancestors are buried in Northern Dutchess, so I got involved with those cemeteries while searching for them. Then I got involved with findagrave, and I'm a total addict to both cemeteries and genealogy. Also old newspapers. There's a lot of secrets buried in those old newspapers. Like how someone ended up cut in half by a train. I've read worse. I greatly admire people like Elizabeth Fahey. She had less than nothing, a bunch of kids to feed, tragedy & despair in her life, yet she managed to raise a son who was seemingly as universally admired as William. Good for her. She must have had a lot of grit in her bones. Makes me realize how extremely easy my life has been, and makes me wonder if my grit would have stood up under the same circumstances. I'm thrilled to pieces you're looking for her. She seems to have been a person who should be remembered. I hope she knows how well it all turned out.
Added by Susan on May 10, 2013 9:10 AM
I just transferred the Fahey's to you. I couldn't transfer Carol (maybe your mother?) because I don't manage her memorial. If you want her, go to her memorial, click on the "edit" button in the upper right, then click on "suggest a correction" and ask Don Wilson to transfer her to you. Say please, tell him she's a relative, and maybe he will. Be sure to include your name and member number, which is 48121306. He has a tendency not to answer emails, so I can't be sure. There's also a couple of other Fahey's in Immaculate Conception and St Johns in Pawling. If they're also your relatives, I'll pass them on.
Now that you manage the memorials, you'll see a bunch of links that you couldn't see before. Just magically appear. You can use those links to add or change any information on the memorials. If you want to add something personal or nice about your father, you can add it the "edit bio" section. If you want to add middle names, nicknames, or something like that, click on "edit name". Dates and places of birth and death can be added or changed by clicking on "edit dates". Pictures can be added, and rearranged if you don't like what the page looks like. To rearrange them, double click on the picture and it brings up a new picture page, use the up and down arrow to move the pictures, then hit save.
Even though you don't manage Carol's memorial, you can still add picture of her if you want. Up to five can be added to any page. But you can't rearrange them once they're added. Only the manager can do that.
And now your name is on the page, so if I lose your address, I can find you
Added by Susan on May 10, 2013 8:24 AM
|Susan||RE: Nearly Found her|
Not sure it was before her funeral, because I found a second one, dated 2 weeks prior. But I'm betting she died right around that time. You should know by next week. I once spent 2 weeks looking for someone who died in the 20's. I was able to tell my cousin the guy was alive in 1925, dead in 1930. It took him all of 30 or so seconds to find him in the death index (which is a bunch of microfiche sheets). Steve is very very good at the death index. I keep telling him he should advertise his services online. He could make a fortune. It's against the law in NY for the state to sell the info to a service like ancestry. The death index is only held in the library (and you have to be dead 50 years to make it). There's a lot of people who would be wiling to pay him.
FYI, one of my second cousins is distantly related to you via marriage. If I remember correctly, his uncle married a sister of Bernard Fahey's second wife or something like that. I do remember it's via marriage via the Ahearn family. That's why the Fahey name was so familiar to me.
God I love this stuff. It's like a giant jigsaw puzzle, done without a picture to guide you. Meanwhile, I forgot to transfer the Fahey's to you, so I don't lose your address. I'll do that right now.
Added by Susan on May 10, 2013 8:08 AM
|Susan||Nearly Found her|
Son of a gun, I've almost found her. I searched for Cahill and Fahey, but mistyped Cahill as Cahil and up she came. It's not an obit, but a mass for the repose of the soul of Mrs Elizabeth Cahil Fahey. I'm not Catholic, so I don't know if that's a funeral mass or a mass said later. It's in a paper dated March 20, 1924, so she died before that. The mass was held at St Anthony's Church. Honing in .....
Added by Susan on May 09, 2013 7:55 PM
|Susan||RE: William P Fahey's Mother|
Actually, I just found an article about George Cahill's death. He wasn't working, he was drunk and got run over by trains. Looks like Aug 11, 1880, could be 1879, I'll have to check the date. It's a little hard to read. Would you like me to email it to you?
I wrote to one of my cousins who does research in the Albany state library. If she died in NYS (unless she was in NYC), she should be in the death file. That would give you a death date and place, at which point you can get a death certificate from either the state or the town clerk of the town she died in. He's pretty enthusiatic, and very very good with the state death records, so give him a few days to see if he can find her. If she's in the death file at Albany, it means there's definitely (or as definitely as any state function can be) a death certificate on file in Albany. It can take FOREVER to get a copy. There should (emphasis on should) also be a copy on file in the town office. The cost is the same, the speed should be much faster, but they may have lost the copy.
If the death certificate is filled out properly (don't hold your breath), it will have her parents' names, where she was born, where she died, what killed her, and, for your purposes, where the body went. There's also the possibility of finding a burial permit in the town she's buried in, but if you know the town where she's buried, your mystery is pretty well solved. But finding that death date is key.
I'd strongly recommend you assume her husband George is buried at St Pat's, and enter a death record for him, with a photo request, and a note that you're looking for his wife also. The bad news that the article about his death talks about how poor the family was. Elizabeth, (who's referred to as Eliza) was suing the bar that allowed him to get drunk. I haven't found a record of the way the suit ended, so I don't know if she got any financial relief or not. So there may be no stone at all for him.
I don't have a clue about parish records. All I know is that Immaculate Conception is in charge of St Pat's, and their records may or may not be lousy.
Let me get the actual date of the article about George's death, and I'll email it to you. It's quite fuzzy and hard to read, but you should be able to get the gist of it. I should have it emailed off to you in a few minutes. I'll send it under the subject line "George Cahill death", so you know it's not spam. It will come in as a pdf, and you'll need adobe reader to open it. If by some chance you don't have adobe reader, it can be downloaded from adobe for free.
AND, just heard back my cousin. He'll look for Elizabeth in the death file next week. If he finds her, your questions may get answered.
Let me get to that article about George. And I'll transfer william fahey to you right now, so I don't accidently lose your address. I tend to do that
Added by Susan on May 09, 2013 7:17 PM
Now you've got me looking for Cahills. Anything to avoid tv.
I just found Elizabeth's son Michael's obit. He's also buried in St Patricks. I'll get him in the database tonight
Keep in mind that she may be buried under the name Cahill. If her 1st husband is there, and she was buried with him, it could just say Cahill on the stone
Are you sick of me yet? Never ask me a question....
Added by Susan on May 09, 2013 5:54 PM
I looked up Elizabeth in the 1892 censuses, and then found her son John Cahill in St Patricks. John's wife died in 1919 and is also buried in St Patricks, so I think there's a really good chance Elizabeth is there too. It would certainly make sense that that's where the family was being buried back in that period
Added by Susan on May 09, 2013 5:43 PM
|Susan||RE: William P Fahey's Mother|
I'm guessing she died in the 20's because William P was a big deal in Pine Plains, and I can't find any mention of her death in the papers. There's a large hole in the papers in the 1920's, so I'm betting that is when she died. It's possible she's in St Patrick's in Millerton. There's also a Catholic section in Evergreen, Pine Plains, but I'm vaguely sure it was consecrated way after the 1920's. I've done most of Immaculate Conception in Amenia, which is the controlling parish of St Patrick's in Millerton. If she's there, I didn't see her stone. There's St Peter's in Poughkeepsie, which is huge and probably existed back then.
There's a woman named Jan who's made it her year's mission to do all of Evergreen this year, so if she's there and she has as stone, she may show up on findagrave by the fall.
Without knowing a death year, it's hard to try to get the death certificate, which is supposed to tell you where the body was sent, but might not. It's even possible she was ill and taken to the Sharon, Conn, hospital, and died there. So you can't even be sure which state she died in.
I have a very long list of things to do, which includes doing St Patrick's in Millerton, but god only knows when I'll get to it. One thing you could try is entering her in St Patricks, Millerton, without a birth and death date (unless you know a birthdate, then you could enter that). In the "bio" section you could add a note saying you think she died in the early 1920's. Then you can request a picture of her stone. There may well be a volunteer close to St Patrick's who will go and look for her, and if someone finds her, findagrave will send you an email. If they check it out, and find out she's not buried there, you'll get a "there's a problem with your request" email from findagrave.
Immaculate Conception parish in Amenia should have the records of who's buried in St. Patricks, but be forewarned that last year I met an Immaculate Conception volunteer in Immaculate Conception cemetery, copying down the stones for Immaculate Conception Parish, which tells me their records stink. There's alot of stinking records around here.
If you'd like, I'll also turn over the Fahey memorials to you. That way, if I ever get up to St Patricks, and I find her, your name will be listed on the memorials so you'll be easy to contact. Let me know if you want me to do that. And I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help
Added by Susan on May 09, 2013 5:13 PM