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Frank Sweeden (#47448392)
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RE: Nancy P. C. Sweeden Thornhill
Hi, again, Frank! I was talking to Jan Wigley-Beckham, who has a lot of history on the Simpkins...her line descends from Ellen's oldest brother, John Edward Perlis Simpkins...and, come to find out, the death certificate I obtained for Henry "Mavebal" Sweeden is not "Mavebal" for a middle name like the website says it is (that I found it on)....

His middle name is Marshall....but, it's really hard to read. She confirmed, as she also has his WWI draft card....said it was still a "mess", too, but at least she could read it, there...

Hope this helps!

Take Care!

Added by j* on May 19, 2011 6:18 PM
RE: Nancy P. C. Sweeden Thornhill
OH! Forgot to mention: we still live in Mesquite and, if you ever want to visit, let me know! :)

Added by j* on May 14, 2011 4:25 PM
RE: Nancy P. C. Sweeden Thornhill
Hi, Frank! Sorry...hadn't checked my messages on here in a long time! Nice to meet you!!!

Nan P. C. Sweeden Thornhill was my great-grandmother. She married John Thornhill Apr 24 1892.

I, too, am still a little perplexed at the Sweeden Family history.

I found a Death Certificate for Henry Mavebal Sweeden and it listed his parents as Lee Sweeden (I think you are right....Lee was short for Leroy, as well, so that would make him Leroy Sweeden Sr.). Birthplace for "Lee" was listed as "DK", yet to the right of that, "Tex" is written-in. Mother listed on his Death Certificate is listed as "Suan Sanders" (did they mean Sue Ann?)..and, same for her: listed as birthplace: "DK", then, at right, "Tex" is written-in.

In 1880 Census (Precinct 3, Burnet, Texas), I found Leroy & Susan Sweden family with the following children:
William M. (7)
Nancy P. C.(3)
Henry M. (2)
George E. (5 mo.)
with another person living in their household who is still a mystery to me: Betty Nobles (18).

I also found another census (1870 - Precinct 2, Quitman, Wood, Texas - today) that lists a Nancy Nobbs (30) living with N. Simpkins Family (Sheet 13)...But, I still do not know who this Nancy is nor who Betty is...and, as Leroy Jr. was 29 and Susan was 27 (in the 1880 Burnet census), I think it would be impossible for this to be a child of Susan's by a previous marriage (she would have had to have been 9 years old), so I wonder if this is a sister to Susan...or if she was related, at all? The other "wonder" I have: is if the Nancy Nobbs living with Nancy Simpkins in the 1870 census (Ellen's Mother) is Leroy Jrs. first wife Nancy (Murphy??) and she'd gotten remarried to a Nobbs or Nobles and had a daughter named Betty???

On Nan Thornhill's death certificate (she was listed as Mrs. Nann Thornhill...and, the "N" is not clear...found her death certficate on a website listed as "Mann" Thornhill)...her mother is listed as "Susan ?" and her father is listed as "Leroy Sweeden". "Mrs. Dovie Newman" is listed as Informant on her death certificate...and, I wonder if this is the Dovie Newman, her grand-daughter by William & Sarah (McGahee) Sweeden? (But is says "Mrs."...and, she still would've been a "Miss" at that point-in-time...she eventually married a Mr. Robertson).

I, too, found the 1870 (Wood) Census record with Leroy (Jr.) and his sister, Mary A., living with the Cook Family:

Upon reflection, the "A.E." that is listed as head is a female...and, I'm inclined to believe that this must be their mother, Ellenor (Ellen) Simpkins Sweeden, that is head of the family, here, and that she got remarried to a Cook? I do know that Ellenor / Ellen's last name, in 1880 census (Rains)is Moore from another marriage and that she is living, again, with her mother, Nancy Simpkins, and a sister who never married: Susan Simpkins. Also listed in this census (1880 Rains) is a John and Joe Freeman (sons of Ellenor's and Susan's other sister, Mary C. "Polly" Simpkins Freeman and Andrew Jackson Freeman). I assume, by 1880, that the boys' parents had both passed-on and the boys were living with their grandmother and aunts, but still don't have firm proof of that, either. There was also a J.D. Hill listed on this census. This is John Diego Hill Jr., son of John Diego Sr. & Mary Mollie "Mollie" Simpkins Hill. Mary Mollie Simpkins Hill was daughter of John Edward Perlis & Sarah Ann Price Simpkins.

John Edward Perlis Simpkins is eldest son of Joseph & Nancy Simpkins and eldest brother to Ellenor Simpkins Sweeden Cook? Moore (Leroy Jr. & Mary A. Sweeden's mother). I still can't find anything to prove that the A.E. Cook listed as head of family in the 1860 Wood Census is, in fact, Ellen / Ellenor, though...and, this is just my supposition, here.

Just today, I found Ellenor (Leroy Jr.'s mother) in the 1870 Quitman, Wood, Texas census - Precinct 3, Sheet 37. She is married to John T. Moore (who has an obvious error, I hope, on his age - as he's listed as 14 years old - and it's been circled...and, his name has been underlined, as well). It states they were married in Jul of that current year. There is an older female living with them: Her name looks like Caroline Dili (70) and I'm not sure how she relates to the whole picture, at all...another mystery! :)

I'm currently scouring the census for Wood, Texas (1850 & 1860) to see about finding any Sanders Families, there, so we have some connection for our Susan Sanders / Saunders and / or any Murphy families, as this may have been Nancy C.'s maiden name, I think....I'll let you know if I find anything!

I do believe, though, that Leroy (Jr.) was married to a Nancy C. previous to Susan Sanders, as I found him listed in the 1870 Quitman, Wood, Texas census. He was 19, and Nancy C. was 21 years of age with no children, as yet. They were living next door to Zachariah & Zern Simpkins family...and, living two doors down from the Z. Simpkins Family is an "Ann Byram" married to a James A. Byram. I believe this is the sister to Leroy Jr., Mary A., going by her middle name, Ann, as I know she married a J. A. Byram / Byrum and had a girl named Jim Ann...and, there's a daughter listed in this family as a J.A. (1) and a son listed as Henry Lee, who was only one month old.

My theory is: Leroy Jr. & Nancy C. had only two children: William M. (or S. or H. - I've seen him listed as all three) and Nancy P. C. Sweeden....I don't know what happened (whether they got separated or Nancy C. passed-on...or got remarried and moved-in with her ex-mother-in-law). This would make sense, though: as, then, Nancy P. C. would have been named after her mother, Nancy C.; then, possibly, Leroy Jr. remarried to Susan Sanders and had two other children: Henry Mavebal & George E.....but, again, can't prove all this, as yet....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr...can't cement the connections.

What I DO know is: My mother was daughter of Nevada Lee (Nevie) Thornhill Newman Pharr. Nevie was daughter to John & Nan Thornhill. Leroy (Lee) Sweeden, Jr. was Nevie's grandfather, making him my great-great-grandfather; thus, making Leroy Sweeden & Ellenor Simpkins (Cooke?) Moore my great-great-great-grandparents. I have not been able to go any further back than Leroy Sr. & Ellen Simpkins union...but, will keep trying. It doesn't help when people get married 3 or four times, does it?? :)

If you have any information that would help, I sure would be interested...and, I'll be happy to share whatever information I have - however, as you see, some of it's fractured and uncemented, unfortunately...and, a lot of it is pretty stable...just let me know. Sorry I ramble so much...but, nice to meet you!!!

ALWAYS nice to meet relatives!! :)


Added by j* on May 14, 2011 4:23 PM

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