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Katy C
Re: Ralph Crume
Ralph Crume is my Great x 6 - Grandfather so I generally only know what I located on Ancestry. Here's how I am related:

6G - Ralph Crume
5G - Mary Crume
4G - Martha Runyan
3G - Harrison Roe
2G - Mary Alice Roe
1G - Jessie May Thompson
Grandma - Frances Mae McCollum
my Mom (living)

How are you related?
Added by Katy C on Jun 15, 2010 7:36 PM
Katy C
Ralph Crume memorial

Here's a link to the Ralph Crume Memorial that I was referring to .

Added by Katy C on Jun 13, 2010 10:27 AM
Katy C
Ralph Crume
Greetings. I saw that you are related to Ralph Crume. What are the dates for your Ralph Crume? The Find A Grave memorial shows unknown dates. I am looking for a Ralph Crume born 12 Dec 1750 and died 3 Feb 1829 in Breckinridge County, Kentucky. My Ralph Crume was married to Mary Polly Riggs.

Is this by chance the same Ralph Crume?

Added by Katy C on Jun 13, 2010 10:26 AM
RE: Mary Lincoln Crume
I think that the first error is in finding the parents of Andrew Crum who married Rachel Johnson. Andrew Crum was born in Greene county, Tenn. It is more likely that he is the son of Michael Crum as given at [ ] for two reasons: (1) Michael was also born in Greene county, Tenn., and (2) Andrew Crum's son, William, named his son Michael -- which would be a repeat of William's grandfather's name.

I think that it is highly unlikely that Andrew Crum was the son of Henry D. Crume as given in the Littrell tree. This is because: (1) there is no evidence that Henry was ever in Tenn. -- he was born in VA and died in Illinois, and (2) he did have a son named Andrew Jackson Crume, however THIS Andrew Jackson Crume was born in 1832 in Hamilton, Hancock, Illinois, USA and died in 1864 in Butler, Montgomery, Illinois, USA. He married Lamanda Jane Shipley and had 6 children. You can see more evidence at:

Your Andrew Crum was born in 1827 in Greene County, Tennessee, and died in 1862 in the Andersonville Prison Camp, Georgia.

So I think that Littrell is mistaken one "Andrew Crum" for a different "Andrew Jackson Crume."

Thus you are not related to the Ralph Crume family SR or JR.

Hope this clears it up.
Added by CW on Jun 03, 2010 10:12 PM
RE: Mary Lincoln Crume
This is what we know for sure about Mary Lincoln's marriages:

1. At age 16 she had a "common law" marriage to Daniel Edgar Crume (Ralph Crume Sr.'s brother). This was about 1791. They had 2 daughters: Sarah Crume who married James Hasty, and Elizabeth W. Crume who married Robert Davis.

2. At Age 26 she married (after Ralph Crume Sr. and Mordecai Lincoln testified that her common law marriage to Daniel Edgar Crume was over)-- Ralph Crume Jr., the nephew of Daniel Edgar Crume and the son of Ralph Crume Sr. They had: Nancy Crume, William Charles Crume, Daniel Marks Crume, Mary Crume and Ann Crume.

I am a descendant of Sarah Crume and James Hasty which means that Pres. Abraham Lincoln is my 1st cousin, 6 times removed. Hope this helps.
Added by CW on Jun 03, 2010 8:20 PM
RE: Mary Lincoln Crume
Ok, I see what is going on. There are two issues of which you should be aware:

1. According the Littrell tree you are a descendant of Ralph Crume and Mary Polly Rigg through their son Charles. This Ralph Crume is Ralph Crume Sr. His other son, Ralph Crume Jr. is the one that married Mary Lincoln.

2. The Littrell tree links Andrew Jackson Crum (wife is Rachel Johnson) as the son of Henry D. Crume, the son of Charles Crume and grandson of Ralph Crume Sr. It then gives their son (Andrew & Rachel) as Andrew William Crum (which others list as William A. Crum) who married Mary Ricker. The problem here is there is no census evidence to support the linkage to Henry D. Crume. In fact, the geography doesn't appear to make sense either. So the tree on World Connect I gave earlier could be just as plausible (but I don't have time to check out the evidence there).

So the upshot is:

1. For sure you are not related to Mary Lincoln Crume.

2. You may be related to her father-in-law -- but that is in doubt.

Hope this helps.
Added by CW on Jun 03, 2010 3:13 PM
RE: Mary Lincoln Crume
Can you cut and paste the URL for the Littrell family tree? I am having difficulty finding it. Thanks.
Added by CW on Jun 03, 2010 2:09 PM
RE: Mary Lincoln Crume
Hi Connie:

I hate to disappoint you, but I don't think there is any way that you could be related to Mary Lincoln Crume. Based on the information you mentioned I took a look at other trees -- and there just is no linkage at the appropriate times. You can look at:

Hope this helps. Thanks.
Added by CW on Jun 03, 2010 1:12 PM

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