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“What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us;|
what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.”
-Albert Pike (1809 – 1891) American attorney, journalist, and Civil War veteran.
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|Nancy Yankie Sidarous||Charlie Armstrong|
Thank you for the very nice photo on Charlie's memorial. Happy Trails, N
|J Willis||RE: William W Willis 1794-1874|
I appreciate that there are many William Willis. I have 3 in the late 1700s in Rutherford Co in my family (THE MARYLAND GROUP), and two others in an unrelated Willis family (THE NORTH CAROLINA GROUP), also in Rutherford County, NC. So, I am not stranger to chasing down William Willis'. Court and land record research was a nightmare. But, that's why DNA testing and verification is so very important to making sure that information put out there on places like Find A Grave is accurate.
DNA evidence indicates that the info on your page for William Willis on your Find A Grave site is NOT accurate.
Have you done a Y-DNA test? If not, you really should. Beyond scientific doubt, that will give you proof of your lineage.
Have you DNA tested at Ancestry.com? If so, are you in a DNA Circle for your William Willis?
At the Willis Y-DNA Project at Family Tree DNA:
Kit #655491 of THE MARYLAND GROUP has lineage that goes through the William Willis of Tallapoosa Co, Alabama. His tree is located on Ancestry.com, here:
It was his grandfather's brother who wrote the book in 1955 that documents the Willis family in Tallapoosa, Alabama. And, this kit also has an atDNA test at Ancestry. He is in a DNA Circle around William S Willis of the 1850 Census in Tallapoosa. So, at the least, you should remove all the info about William of Tallapoosa. That is not your William.
Now, you likely are correct about the William of Pike Ala, Jones, Ga and Upson Ga. being the same William and of the same Willis family. I do know that the Jones Ga and Upson Ga Willis were of THE CRAVEN COUNTY GROUP. HOWEVER, the death date on your William conflicts with a well documented and recognized paper on these Willis. That William in Upson was indicated to have died in 1851. Check the research paper. Family Search. Two Centuries with a Willis Family and Their Kin, by Douglas M Willis, Page 13.
So, at the very least, you have info on one grave site page that belongs to two different men, maybe three. And the 1874 death date on your marker, versus the 1851 death date in a published research paper, could indicate that this William of your Find A Grave page is NOT the same one that was born in 1794 in Craven County.
There is so very much conflicting info here, some it proven by science, that you risk doing great harm to Family Tree accuracy by keeping all that conflicting info sitting out there on a Find A Grave Web Site. Gullible people take it for gospel, copy it, wind up with inaccurate family trees, and then have a mess on their hands when they aren't getting atDNA verification via DNA Circles on Ancestry.
You should take it all down, until you can back it up with DNA testing.
But, at the very least, clean it up by removing all the info on the William of Tallapoosa. And, if you leave the rest ... point people to the conflicting info on death dates and the research paper on Family Search.
Added by J Willis on Apr 25, 2017 9:01 PM
|J Willis||William W Willis 1794-1874|
I work a lot with the results of the Y-DNA testing of the WILLIS GROUP at Family Tree DNA. I was reading your write up on the Find A Grave site for William W Willis 1794-1874 this evening (memorial 34230556), and almost fell out of my chair. There are serious issues with that write-up. You should take it down.
That write-up contains information from AT LEAST 3 distinctly UNRELATED Y Groups of Willis men.
The WILLIAM W Willis born in 1794 in North Carolina was of THE CRAVEN COUNTY WILLIS GROUP. He is the son of a Joel Willis. That William did move from Craven County NC, first to Jones Co Ga, and then to Upson County, Ga, as indicated in the write-up. But, he died in Upson County, Ga on Aug 11, 1851. There is significant information about this William in a paper out on the Family Search website, TWO CENTURIES WITH A WILLIS FAMILY AND THEIR KIN, page 13.
Then, your write-up picks up information from yet a different William Willis in Tallapoosa County, Alabama. That William was actually born about 1805 in Rutherford County, NC. He is the son of a James Willis born about 1774, also in Rutherford County, NC. James and son William moved to McMinn County at some point after 1820. Then, his son, William, was in Tallapoosa by the 1850 census. But, he is in Henderson County, Texas by 1860, where he died in 1879. These men are of THE MARYLAND GROUP within the Willis Y-DNA Project. This William's grandson, William Stephen Willis Jr (son of the William S Willis in the 1850 Tallapoosa Census) wrote a book about this family in 1955, called Big Ranches of Texas, in which he talks about his father's early life in Tallapossa Co, Alabama.
Then, your write-up goes on to talk about a third William Willis, one who lives in Pike County, Alabama. This William is of THE SOUTHERN GROUP. I don't know as much about him, but I do know that the Willis in Pike County, Alabama were of THE SOUTHERN GROUP.
So, in one obituary, you have information on three different, scientifically proven to be unrelated, Willis men. All of them are named William Willis ... but of 3 different Y-DNA Groups, 3 different men.
Please, please TAKE that write-up down. I'm shocked its been up this long without anyone pointing these issues out.
Added by J Willis on Apr 25, 2017 7:52 PM
It's always a pleasure visiting your family Brad & no thanks are ever needed with me..
Thank you for your sweet visits as well & for your friendship...
Great research, thanks for the link. Slick
Added by Slick on Apr 21, 2017 5:44 AM
|Candy♥||RE: Beck & Willis memorials|
You're very welcome my dear friend!
Thanks also to you
for many visits!
Added by Candy♥ on Apr 21, 2017 3:46 AM
Hi Brad! You do so much good here on Find A Grave! And so true, Everyone deserves a flower.
Have a great week!
Added by Candy♥ on Apr 17, 2017 10:09 PM
Your a good man Brad with a kind heart..And yes everyone deserves a flower on their memorial..
Thank you for your message my friend..
|Christopher Donald Conger||RE: Flowers|
Happy Easter to you too!
Keep up the good work my friend, and thanks for writing!
See you soon!
Thanks so much for my cousin's obituary. Due to medical reasons, I've fallen down on my Find A Grave duties. Happy Easter, Carolyn Nuessen #47540449
Added by CCSN54 on Apr 14, 2017 5:22 PM
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