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jesse gilbert (#47841708)
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J.R. Pfaff
RE: Hoffman
Always glad to help thanks for the kindness and input.

J.R.

Added by J.R. Pfaff on Sep 01, 2016 8:40 AM

Spaceman Spiff
RE: pierce and harmon
Hi, Gwen.

I've heard from one cousin and he has nothing about the burial location of Nancy/Mary. I have one more cousin I might hear from, and if so, I'll let you know what he says.

Your list of Nancy's children is slightly different than mine. I don't have Samuel, Israel or Dixon in my list. For a link of what we have, go here:

http://nativeamericansofdelawarestate.com/FamilyHistories/OthnielMurray_bc1730/pafg16.htm#1625

(You will probably have to copy & paste that into your browswer. If it doesn't work, I can send the link to your email).

Sorry I wasn't of more help.
Sincerely,
John

Added by Spaceman Spiff on Aug 29, 2016 11:26 AM

Spaceman Spiff
RE: pierce and harmon
Hi, Gwen.

I don't have access to the list of interments myself, but I have a contact who does. However, what would be Nancy/Mary's maiden name? I'm assuming Harmon is her married name? Who were her parents? Or her husband? Or children? There were a LOT of Harmons, and Mary is a very common name. We would need more info in order to narrow it down.

As far as all the entries already on FindAGrave for Gouldtown, all the names with my "Spaceman Spiff" ID (the majority) came from a photographic survey of all the visible, existing headstones in the cemetery as of Aug/Sep 2008. So, if someone is buried there (prior to 2008) but doesn't yet have a FindAGrave memorial, then it's 99.9% certain that no headstone exists for them.

Thanks,
John

Added by Spaceman Spiff on Aug 27, 2016 9:32 PM

Esther Wright
RE: Margaret J Sterling request
I'm sorry! I thought it had to be the person who managed the grave site.
Was only able to meet my father's cousin Freda Kuhn Sterling, her husband, and her Mother, Margaret Hofmann Kuhn, once in 1937 on a Family trip to NJ and PA when I was 6 years old.
I remember that her husband, Wajdburg Sterling made me a ship (also a hat) out of newspaper. Great-aunt Marge wore black (in mourning) and to me looked a bit frightening -- I guess I appear frightening to some of my younger family members now.
Esther Wright

Added by Esther Wright on Aug 16, 2016 5:16 AM

Esther Wright
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)
Thank you so very much for uniting Margaret J Sterling's grave with those of her parents, Jesse!
Gratefully,
Esther Wright

Added by Esther Wright on Aug 16, 2016 4:51 AM

Esther Wright
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)

Dear Jessie Gilbert,

The above mentioned grave is that of a cousin-- (her Grandmother Margaret M. (Hofmann) Kuhn is my Greataunt whose daughter Freda M Kuhn) Sterling #77008784 is my father's 1st Cousin (my 1st Cousin once removed). I would liked this Infant Margaret June Sterling to be united with her Family on Find A Grave. Could you accomplish this for me? According to the Baby’s death certificate (Ancestry.com) she was a premature who died at 6 days of age in Morrisville Bucks County PA March 29, 1916 and was buried in Riverview Cementery, Trenton, NJ on March 30, 1916.
Her parents are Waldburg C (#77008782)and Freda M Sterling (#77008684). Her Grandparents are Waldberg J. Kuhn (#49234442) and Margaret M Kuhn (#49234451).
Thank you in advance for uniting this Family.

Esther Wright (#24656849)
Find A Grave member for 15 years, 9 months
Contact: ewright210@aol.com

FYI:
Infant: Sterling, Margaret J #124564780
b. 1916 d. 1916 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: jesse gilbert
Record added: Feb 03, 2014
Find A Grave Memorial# 124564780

Mother: Sterling, Freda M #77008684
b. 1889 d. 1952 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Judy Ryan
Record added: Sep 24, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 77008684

Father: Sterling, Waldburg C. 77008782
b. 1886 d. 1975 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Judy Ryan
Record added: Sep 24, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 77008782

Maternal Grandmother: Kuhn, Margaret M. 49234451
b. 1861 d. 1946 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Maintained by: Esther Wright
Originally Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Mar 06, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 49234451

Maternal Grandfather: Kuhn, William J. 49234442
b. 1859 d. 1935 Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Maintained by: Esther Wright
Originally Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Mar 06, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 49234442

Paternal Grandfather: Sterling, Capt Robert 19974148
b. unknown d. Mar. 26, 1908 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Gregory Speciale
Record added: Jun 19, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19974148

Paternal Grandmother:
Sterling, Elizabeth Barlow 60194445
b. 1856 d. 1929 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Oct 16, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 60194445



Added by Esther Wright on Jul 21, 2016 7:19 PM

Marianne
RE: 80517667 Jennifer Wheaton
Hi Gwen, sorry I have no idea as to who Jennifer Wheaton's parents are. I would think that there is a good chance that they are still alive as jennifer was only 9 years old when she passed away.
Have a good day - - Marianne

Added by Marianne on Jul 06, 2016 8:18 PM

Starfishin
RE: Fisher obituary
I was a little worried I'd lost you in the information avalanche! Glad all in well...

Added by Starfishin on Jun 21, 2016 2:01 PM

Dawn Faulkner
RE: Amos Wheaton
Hello Gwen,
I did take a picture but when I uploaded it the dates were different. My Amos Wheaton born 1854 and died 1921. on find a grave the Amos Wheaton was born 1820-1900 and i noticed someone already put up a pic for the Amos I have I looked around quickly next time i am there I will look for your Amos. I didn't even have him on my list but my mothers maiden name is Wheaton and I took the picture thinking i would find a connection. Sorry for the mix up. Dawn

Added by Dawn Faulkner on Jun 21, 2016 6:41 AM

Starfishin
RE: Ruth fisher
This is an interesting question.

Obituaries that have a byline [that are written by a reporter at a newspaper] are protected by the newspaper's copyright and shouldn't be posted. Paid obituaries, which most obituaries are, and obituaries posted by the funeral home, have less stringent and more unclear copyright protections.

It all gets a little fuzzy here. Find A Grave is a for-profit enterprise staffed largely by unpaid volunteers. Copyright owners are most apt to get upset about copyright infringement when it's done by a for-profit entity, as they tend to think "where's my cut of the dough?" But the idea that the copyright for an obituary that was paid for by the family can be owned by the newspaper or the funeral home is a little less clear legally and a whole lot less clear ethically. But let's put that aside for a minute.

Copyrights do expire, and written works can fall into what's known as the public domain. There is also something called fair use of copyrighted material.

According to the U.S. Copyright Office, “A work of authorship is in the ’public domain’ if it is no longer under copyright protection or if it failed to meet the requirements for copyright protection. Works in the public domain may be used freely without the permission of the former copyright owner. This includes:

Articles published before 1923.
Articles published between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice.
Articles published from 1923 through 1963 with a copyright notice but where the copyright was not renewed.
Articles published between 1978 and 1 March 1989 without a copyright notice and not registered within five years of publication.

What you can't or must be careful about using: Articles published 1 March 1989 to present. Because of changes in copyright law these are all covered by copyright for 95 years after publication.

This is complicated further by the fact that while the newspaper may contain a statement saying the entire contents of the paper is copyright as a collective work, that's often not the case. News services like AP may hold the copyright to certain articles, as may advertisers including families and funeral homes.

Another thing to know: FACTS cannot be copyrighted. As the U.S. Copyright Office says: “Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.”

Now we come 'round to Fair Use. In US copyright law the Fair Use doctrine states that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, research and scholarship, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder. "Research and scholarship" would seem to cover the intent of many Find A Grave memorial contributors.

Four things are taken into consideration when determining Fair Use:
The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes.
The nature of the copyrighted work.
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole.
The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The social usefulness [and obituaries sure are socially useful!]of freely available information can weigh against the appropriateness of copyright for certain fixations. Using most or all of a work does not bar a finding of fair use, but it is by no means clear that social usefulness permits every case of full or extensive quoting from a work. The courts to tend to favor the fair use of written information where the copyright owner, or possible copyright owner, is properly acknowledged -- so credit your source [the newspaper or funeral home, not the person who sent it to you -- although we folks don't mind a little credit too].

Assuming you're still with me -- I've had to stop and get a cup of coffee myself -- how does this apply to Find A Grave and the use of obituaries?

Find A Grave, as a for-profit entity, is aware of the potential pitfalls of copyright law. And they've basically created a Wild West with thousands of unpaid independent contractors making and enforcing their own interpretations of the law. Find A Grave own policy on posting "obituaries" is vague, and has gone through several iterations. There are only two things they are clear about: Don't post obituaries with a by-line [written by a reporter,] as those are clearly copyrighted. And don't include in any posted obituary the names of living family members [which strikes me as odd -- the names have all ready been made public by printing the obituary, and can usually be found on the internet as well. It's my guess that family members have complained to Find A Grave when they have gotten into disputes with managers of memorials -- some of them are quite rigid, refusing to transfer a memorial to a cousin named in the obituary because it falls outside of Find A Grave transfer guidelines -- or when they find out a memorial to a loved one has been created by a stranger.] There's an obvious drawback to omitting the names of "living" family members, as it makes it harder to connect the dots a few years down the road, when some of those folks now have obituaries of their own.

So should you post an obituary on a Find A Grave memorial? Arguably posting a paid newspaper obituary [which most obituaries are] is fair use. Probably posting a funeral home obituary, with proper credit, is a bit better as they've put the information out there presumably to benefit the family [you'll note that many newspapers and funeral homes have cut deals with Legacy to post obituaries on that site. I'm pretty confident no families were consulted about this decision.]And posting an obituary in its entirety makes sure important facts don't get left out.

If you want to be firmly within fair use, you can do an extraction: extract the facts from the obituary ["Joe Jones was born on Tuesday, May 2"]and for the things that are more personal or subjective ["Joe was never happier than when he slapped on a pair of water wings and was floating in his pool with his pet pig Mirabelle"] you can quote the obituary ["Joe was never happier than when he slapped on a pair of water wings and was floating in his pool with his pet pig Mirabelle," his obituary said.] and then post it all on the memorial. Be sure to credit the original source [Information extracted from Joe Jones' obituary, Palooka Times, June 17, 2016, page 6.] Writing a good extraction takes work, which is why, I think, most folks tend to just post the obit.

A final thought: tributes that are printed in places like newsletters ["the Garden Club morns the death of our favorite flower"] typically aren't explicitly copyright. No matter the copyright status, I've found that such organizations are happy to see their tribute receive a wider audience through Find A Grave.

Hope this helps a little -- sorry I can't offer you a cup of coffee as you make your way through this!

Added by Starfishin on Jun 19, 2016 10:46 AM

Ginger Lashley
RE: tryphena Lee
I have the entire plot photographed that I will upload soon. You are very welcome!

Added by Ginger Lashley on May 16, 2016 6:54 AM

Curtis Jackson
RE: Jarena Lee
I don't know what the A stands for. I think I found the burial info on a website about A.M.E. Church history.

Added by Curtis Jackson on Apr 25, 2016 2:12 PM

Michael Hague
Unknown Lee # 139067735
Gwen, All information for Bethel Burying Ground memorials entered by me were supplied by Terry Buckalew, local historian of the cemetery. I have no additional information on this person.

Added by Michael Hague on Apr 23, 2016 9:51 PM

Curtis Jackson
RE: Jarena Lee
I am unaware of Jarena Lee's family.

Added by Curtis Jackson on Apr 22, 2016 1:58 PM

Paulette W.
your photos
Thank you so much for your generosity of time and effort. And thank you for placing it on your bio that families may use your pics. Your selflessness will be rewarded. God bless!

Added by Paulette W. on Mar 18, 2016 10:12 AM

Spaceman Spiff
RE: Luke Cuff
You're very welcome.
Happy to help!
John

Added by Spaceman Spiff on Feb 25, 2016 2:26 PM

Spaceman Spiff
RE: cuff
You're very welcome.
:-)
John

Added by Spaceman Spiff on Feb 02, 2016 8:23 PM

13th Generation Fairbanks in America
RE: Eden
You're very welcome. Warm regards.

Added by 13th Generation Fairbanks... on Oct 17, 2015 12:58 PM

Rick Weaver
RE: Wuytack boys
You're most welcome Jesse - I'm happy I could help.

Rick Weaver

Added by Rick Weaver on Oct 11, 2015 5:59 AM

Sue Fetzer
RE: Wuytack
Great! Glad to get is straightened out!

Sue

Added by Sue Fetzer on Oct 05, 2015 6:00 AM

J.R. Pfaff
RE: Garretson
Glad to help :)

Added by J.R. Pfaff on Sep 07, 2015 8:43 AM

Raymond Sassman
Marie Carnes
Glad I could help!!!

Ray

Added by Raymond Sassman on Jul 06, 2015 6:39 AM

J.R. Pfaff
RE: Virginia kern
I walk the local cemeteries trying to help people find information on their loved ones. When I especially find forgotten children in these cemeteries I try to document them. I couldn't say where she is specifically buried but chances are I have a photo of the grave somewhere in my files that I just have not gotten around to uploading yet. When I go to cemeteries I tend to take pictures and written notes. I have gotten around to uploading the notes I just have not gotten around to uploading all of the pictures. I will try to go through my collection tonight to see if I might have the photo for this young lady.

Justin

Added by J.R. Pfaff on May 20, 2015 6:41 AM

Rick Weaver
RE: Alphonse Wuytack
You're most welcome - I was happy I could help.

Rick Weaver

Added by Rick Weaver on Apr 20, 2015 5:25 AM

J.R. Pfaff
RE: Crawford
Glad to be able to help. :)

Added by J.R. Pfaff on Apr 06, 2015 12:45 PM

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