Lucinda was the first wife of Malachi Scott, and mother of nine children, two of whom died as unnamed infants.
Her surviving children were Henrietta (McKee), Barbary Ellen (Goodballot/Gutberlet), Mary Elizabeth "Lib" (Barnes), Missouri (Garrison), Sena (Patterson), Charles and Anna (Brown).
She is buried under the vertical column next to husband Malachi Scott who shares a low, flat horizontal tombstone with his second wife, Harriet Martin Hearn Scott, and their son William.
The stones are located at the corner of the church building, in the "old section" of the cemetery, near the propane tank.
Hand-me-down family remembrances from the Sena line said her maiden name was Bohl (potentially Bowle), but there is a sure marriage record of Malachi marrying a Lucinda Webb, followed by the births of their children.
Death certificates of her children add to the confusion. Those children's children reported in those records that their mother's mother was: Barbara Bohl (Ellen), Lucinda Bohl (Sena) and Lucinda Webb (Mary Elizabeth). (Sena and "Lib" both lived in Marietta yet the lines have competing accounts.) The son of Charles, the second youngest (who was 4 when his mother died), reported Charles' mother as "unknown." Middle daughter Missouri died 41 years before her state of Arkansas began issuing death certificates.
Investigation into the death records of the other full siblings (Henrietta the oldest and Anna the youngest, both of whom died in Ohio) is yet under way.
Birth records for Washington County explicitly call her Lucinda or Luthinda WEBB for births of daughter Anna (later Brown) and a stillborn daughter; she is called Lucinda __ for the birth of daughter Sena (whose first name wasn't given but whose birth date was similar to Sena's.
Bohl was a common, but universally German, spelling in Washington County, but was not common in Belmont or Monroe where this family mostly was, especially early. Boles and Bowles did exist in both Belmont and Monroe. And there WERE known Boles connections for this family.
One speculation -- that this Lucinda was the same as the one of her age living in 1850 with the Abel Lewis family in Belmont County's Goshen Township -- has been ruled out. Records show that that Lucinda, granddaughter of Thomas Bowle and son of John Bowl/Bowle, died in 1854, and her sister Elizabeth (living with Abel's brother Reece) soon after, while this one clearly lived.
It now seems most likely that this Lucinda was born to Daniel and Deborah Barnhouse Helm(s) of Belmont County, before widowed Daniel remarried to Elizabeth Boles, whose brother John lived in 1850 next door to this Lucinda's future father-in-law Malachi Scott 1, when Malachi 2 and Lucinda were 12 and 11. Subsequent reporting on this Lucinda may have attributed her to her stepmother rather than to her Barnhouse mother.
Supporting the Helm association: In the 1860 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter Sarah Helm (later Baker), who would have been this Lucinda's half-sister, was living with this Lucinda. In the 1870 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's other daughter Susanna (later Duvall), another half-sister, was living with this Lucinda's father-in-law Malachi 1 and his own second wife. Additionally, the names this Lucinda chose for her own children resemble those of Daniel Helm(s)' by his three wives, including Barbary and Ellen. Also, many of Daniel's 14 children are buried in the Powhatan Point area, where Malachi 2 was born.
Another possibly was that this Lucinda is the same person as the 14-year-old Luise Helms who married 26-year-old Zachariah Brindley in Brooke County, WV in 1854 (He is buried in Cadiz Union Cemetery in Jefferson County, Ohio, along with his father Benjamin. That Zachariah had an ex-wife and son; they had married 1846 in Washington County, when his father lived in Athens County.) According to the WV record, Luise's parents were Samuel and Mary Helms and the marriage occurred in "Mary's home," implying that Samuel was already dead or gone by then. The license was in Brooke County, where there are many Brindleys buried. But connections, if any, from those Brindleys or this Samuel Helms to the Helms family above are unclear.
DNA tracking strongly supports the Helm/Barnhouse theory.
Given the Webb references for this Lucinda at both her marriage to Malachi Scott and her subsequent children, it seems likely that she had an earlier marriage to a Monroe or Belmont County Webb, before remarrying to Scott. If she also had married Brindley first, the Webb marriage would have been second (a possibility, given the serial, short-term marriages pattern on the Brindley side.)
Confusingly, there are no known Webb families matching this Lucinda's early years description in Monroe, Belmont or Washington Counties or adjacent West Virginia -- under any name variations. There are a couple of contenders for a possible early Webb candidates in Monroe County for what would have been a short-lived first or second marriage -- but also no known documentation of such, yet. A number of online trees attribute this Lucinda to various Webb parents, but do not support the contention and DNA does not seem to argue for it.
The Webb name was more common in Washington or Monroe counties than Belmont, at least as reflected in early-era online records so far. Given the Helm(s) family already being in Belmont, her presence still at home in the 1850 Belmont census, and her marriage (1858) to Malachi being in Belmont to a fellow Belmont resident, it seems likeliest that her first marriage(s) also was in Belmont. But a first (or second?) marriage in neighboring West Virginia or Monroe is just as possible. But she may not have had children by that marriage. She was only 20 years old when she married Malachi Scott.
Birth and death dates reported for Lucinda here come, so far, only from her tombstone, which did not reference the locations. Dates on Malachi's adjacent group tombstone conflicts slightly with other records.
The church's early records were destroyed by vandals.
Her surviving children were Henrietta (McKee), Barbary Ellen (Goodballot/Gutberlet), Mary Elizabeth "Lib" (Barnes), Missouri (Garrison), Sena (Patterson), Charles and Anna (Brown).
She is buried under the vertical column next to husband Malachi Scott who shares a low, flat horizontal tombstone with his second wife, Harriet Martin Hearn Scott, and their son William.
The stones are located at the corner of the church building, in the "old section" of the cemetery, near the propane tank.
Hand-me-down family remembrances from the Sena line said her maiden name was Bohl (potentially Bowle), but there is a sure marriage record of Malachi marrying a Lucinda Webb, followed by the births of their children.
Death certificates of her children add to the confusion. Those children's children reported in those records that their mother's mother was: Barbara Bohl (Ellen), Lucinda Bohl (Sena) and Lucinda Webb (Mary Elizabeth). (Sena and "Lib" both lived in Marietta yet the lines have competing accounts.) The son of Charles, the second youngest (who was 4 when his mother died), reported Charles' mother as "unknown." Middle daughter Missouri died 41 years before her state of Arkansas began issuing death certificates.
Investigation into the death records of the other full siblings (Henrietta the oldest and Anna the youngest, both of whom died in Ohio) is yet under way.
Birth records for Washington County explicitly call her Lucinda or Luthinda WEBB for births of daughter Anna (later Brown) and a stillborn daughter; she is called Lucinda __ for the birth of daughter Sena (whose first name wasn't given but whose birth date was similar to Sena's.
Bohl was a common, but universally German, spelling in Washington County, but was not common in Belmont or Monroe where this family mostly was, especially early. Boles and Bowles did exist in both Belmont and Monroe. And there WERE known Boles connections for this family.
One speculation -- that this Lucinda was the same as the one of her age living in 1850 with the Abel Lewis family in Belmont County's Goshen Township -- has been ruled out. Records show that that Lucinda, granddaughter of Thomas Bowle and son of John Bowl/Bowle, died in 1854, and her sister Elizabeth (living with Abel's brother Reece) soon after, while this one clearly lived.
It now seems most likely that this Lucinda was born to Daniel and Deborah Barnhouse Helm(s) of Belmont County, before widowed Daniel remarried to Elizabeth Boles, whose brother John lived in 1850 next door to this Lucinda's future father-in-law Malachi Scott 1, when Malachi 2 and Lucinda were 12 and 11. Subsequent reporting on this Lucinda may have attributed her to her stepmother rather than to her Barnhouse mother.
Supporting the Helm association: In the 1860 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter Sarah Helm (later Baker), who would have been this Lucinda's half-sister, was living with this Lucinda. In the 1870 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's other daughter Susanna (later Duvall), another half-sister, was living with this Lucinda's father-in-law Malachi 1 and his own second wife. Additionally, the names this Lucinda chose for her own children resemble those of Daniel Helm(s)' by his three wives, including Barbary and Ellen. Also, many of Daniel's 14 children are buried in the Powhatan Point area, where Malachi 2 was born.
Another possibly was that this Lucinda is the same person as the 14-year-old Luise Helms who married 26-year-old Zachariah Brindley in Brooke County, WV in 1854 (He is buried in Cadiz Union Cemetery in Jefferson County, Ohio, along with his father Benjamin. That Zachariah had an ex-wife and son; they had married 1846 in Washington County, when his father lived in Athens County.) According to the WV record, Luise's parents were Samuel and Mary Helms and the marriage occurred in "Mary's home," implying that Samuel was already dead or gone by then. The license was in Brooke County, where there are many Brindleys buried. But connections, if any, from those Brindleys or this Samuel Helms to the Helms family above are unclear.
DNA tracking strongly supports the Helm/Barnhouse theory.
Given the Webb references for this Lucinda at both her marriage to Malachi Scott and her subsequent children, it seems likely that she had an earlier marriage to a Monroe or Belmont County Webb, before remarrying to Scott. If she also had married Brindley first, the Webb marriage would have been second (a possibility, given the serial, short-term marriages pattern on the Brindley side.)
Confusingly, there are no known Webb families matching this Lucinda's early years description in Monroe, Belmont or Washington Counties or adjacent West Virginia -- under any name variations. There are a couple of contenders for a possible early Webb candidates in Monroe County for what would have been a short-lived first or second marriage -- but also no known documentation of such, yet. A number of online trees attribute this Lucinda to various Webb parents, but do not support the contention and DNA does not seem to argue for it.
The Webb name was more common in Washington or Monroe counties than Belmont, at least as reflected in early-era online records so far. Given the Helm(s) family already being in Belmont, her presence still at home in the 1850 Belmont census, and her marriage (1858) to Malachi being in Belmont to a fellow Belmont resident, it seems likeliest that her first marriage(s) also was in Belmont. But a first (or second?) marriage in neighboring West Virginia or Monroe is just as possible. But she may not have had children by that marriage. She was only 20 years old when she married Malachi Scott.
Birth and death dates reported for Lucinda here come, so far, only from her tombstone, which did not reference the locations. Dates on Malachi's adjacent group tombstone conflicts slightly with other records.
The church's early records were destroyed by vandals.
Lucinda was the first wife of Malachi Scott, and mother of nine children, two of whom died as unnamed infants.
Her surviving children were Henrietta (McKee), Barbary Ellen (Goodballot/Gutberlet), Mary Elizabeth "Lib" (Barnes), Missouri (Garrison), Sena (Patterson), Charles and Anna (Brown).
She is buried under the vertical column next to husband Malachi Scott who shares a low, flat horizontal tombstone with his second wife, Harriet Martin Hearn Scott, and their son William.
The stones are located at the corner of the church building, in the "old section" of the cemetery, near the propane tank.
Hand-me-down family remembrances from the Sena line said her maiden name was Bohl (potentially Bowle), but there is a sure marriage record of Malachi marrying a Lucinda Webb, followed by the births of their children.
Death certificates of her children add to the confusion. Those children's children reported in those records that their mother's mother was: Barbara Bohl (Ellen), Lucinda Bohl (Sena) and Lucinda Webb (Mary Elizabeth). (Sena and "Lib" both lived in Marietta yet the lines have competing accounts.) The son of Charles, the second youngest (who was 4 when his mother died), reported Charles' mother as "unknown." Middle daughter Missouri died 41 years before her state of Arkansas began issuing death certificates.
Investigation into the death records of the other full siblings (Henrietta the oldest and Anna the youngest, both of whom died in Ohio) is yet under way.
Birth records for Washington County explicitly call her Lucinda or Luthinda WEBB for births of daughter Anna (later Brown) and a stillborn daughter; she is called Lucinda __ for the birth of daughter Sena (whose first name wasn't given but whose birth date was similar to Sena's.
Bohl was a common, but universally German, spelling in Washington County, but was not common in Belmont or Monroe where this family mostly was, especially early. Boles and Bowles did exist in both Belmont and Monroe. And there WERE known Boles connections for this family.
One speculation -- that this Lucinda was the same as the one of her age living in 1850 with the Abel Lewis family in Belmont County's Goshen Township -- has been ruled out. Records show that that Lucinda, granddaughter of Thomas Bowle and son of John Bowl/Bowle, died in 1854, and her sister Elizabeth (living with Abel's brother Reece) soon after, while this one clearly lived.
It now seems most likely that this Lucinda was born to Daniel and Deborah Barnhouse Helm(s) of Belmont County, before widowed Daniel remarried to Elizabeth Boles, whose brother John lived in 1850 next door to this Lucinda's future father-in-law Malachi Scott 1, when Malachi 2 and Lucinda were 12 and 11. Subsequent reporting on this Lucinda may have attributed her to her stepmother rather than to her Barnhouse mother.
Supporting the Helm association: In the 1860 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter Sarah Helm (later Baker), who would have been this Lucinda's half-sister, was living with this Lucinda. In the 1870 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's other daughter Susanna (later Duvall), another half-sister, was living with this Lucinda's father-in-law Malachi 1 and his own second wife. Additionally, the names this Lucinda chose for her own children resemble those of Daniel Helm(s)' by his three wives, including Barbary and Ellen. Also, many of Daniel's 14 children are buried in the Powhatan Point area, where Malachi 2 was born.
Another possibly was that this Lucinda is the same person as the 14-year-old Luise Helms who married 26-year-old Zachariah Brindley in Brooke County, WV in 1854 (He is buried in Cadiz Union Cemetery in Jefferson County, Ohio, along with his father Benjamin. That Zachariah had an ex-wife and son; they had married 1846 in Washington County, when his father lived in Athens County.) According to the WV record, Luise's parents were Samuel and Mary Helms and the marriage occurred in "Mary's home," implying that Samuel was already dead or gone by then. The license was in Brooke County, where there are many Brindleys buried. But connections, if any, from those Brindleys or this Samuel Helms to the Helms family above are unclear.
DNA tracking strongly supports the Helm/Barnhouse theory.
Given the Webb references for this Lucinda at both her marriage to Malachi Scott and her subsequent children, it seems likely that she had an earlier marriage to a Monroe or Belmont County Webb, before remarrying to Scott. If she also had married Brindley first, the Webb marriage would have been second (a possibility, given the serial, short-term marriages pattern on the Brindley side.)
Confusingly, there are no known Webb families matching this Lucinda's early years description in Monroe, Belmont or Washington Counties or adjacent West Virginia -- under any name variations. There are a couple of contenders for a possible early Webb candidates in Monroe County for what would have been a short-lived first or second marriage -- but also no known documentation of such, yet. A number of online trees attribute this Lucinda to various Webb parents, but do not support the contention and DNA does not seem to argue for it.
The Webb name was more common in Washington or Monroe counties than Belmont, at least as reflected in early-era online records so far. Given the Helm(s) family already being in Belmont, her presence still at home in the 1850 Belmont census, and her marriage (1858) to Malachi being in Belmont to a fellow Belmont resident, it seems likeliest that her first marriage(s) also was in Belmont. But a first (or second?) marriage in neighboring West Virginia or Monroe is just as possible. But she may not have had children by that marriage. She was only 20 years old when she married Malachi Scott.
Birth and death dates reported for Lucinda here come, so far, only from her tombstone, which did not reference the locations. Dates on Malachi's adjacent group tombstone conflicts slightly with other records.
The church's early records were destroyed by vandals.
Her surviving children were Henrietta (McKee), Barbary Ellen (Goodballot/Gutberlet), Mary Elizabeth "Lib" (Barnes), Missouri (Garrison), Sena (Patterson), Charles and Anna (Brown).
She is buried under the vertical column next to husband Malachi Scott who shares a low, flat horizontal tombstone with his second wife, Harriet Martin Hearn Scott, and their son William.
The stones are located at the corner of the church building, in the "old section" of the cemetery, near the propane tank.
Hand-me-down family remembrances from the Sena line said her maiden name was Bohl (potentially Bowle), but there is a sure marriage record of Malachi marrying a Lucinda Webb, followed by the births of their children.
Death certificates of her children add to the confusion. Those children's children reported in those records that their mother's mother was: Barbara Bohl (Ellen), Lucinda Bohl (Sena) and Lucinda Webb (Mary Elizabeth). (Sena and "Lib" both lived in Marietta yet the lines have competing accounts.) The son of Charles, the second youngest (who was 4 when his mother died), reported Charles' mother as "unknown." Middle daughter Missouri died 41 years before her state of Arkansas began issuing death certificates.
Investigation into the death records of the other full siblings (Henrietta the oldest and Anna the youngest, both of whom died in Ohio) is yet under way.
Birth records for Washington County explicitly call her Lucinda or Luthinda WEBB for births of daughter Anna (later Brown) and a stillborn daughter; she is called Lucinda __ for the birth of daughter Sena (whose first name wasn't given but whose birth date was similar to Sena's.
Bohl was a common, but universally German, spelling in Washington County, but was not common in Belmont or Monroe where this family mostly was, especially early. Boles and Bowles did exist in both Belmont and Monroe. And there WERE known Boles connections for this family.
One speculation -- that this Lucinda was the same as the one of her age living in 1850 with the Abel Lewis family in Belmont County's Goshen Township -- has been ruled out. Records show that that Lucinda, granddaughter of Thomas Bowle and son of John Bowl/Bowle, died in 1854, and her sister Elizabeth (living with Abel's brother Reece) soon after, while this one clearly lived.
It now seems most likely that this Lucinda was born to Daniel and Deborah Barnhouse Helm(s) of Belmont County, before widowed Daniel remarried to Elizabeth Boles, whose brother John lived in 1850 next door to this Lucinda's future father-in-law Malachi Scott 1, when Malachi 2 and Lucinda were 12 and 11. Subsequent reporting on this Lucinda may have attributed her to her stepmother rather than to her Barnhouse mother.
Supporting the Helm association: In the 1860 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's daughter Sarah Helm (later Baker), who would have been this Lucinda's half-sister, was living with this Lucinda. In the 1870 census, Daniel and Elizabeth's other daughter Susanna (later Duvall), another half-sister, was living with this Lucinda's father-in-law Malachi 1 and his own second wife. Additionally, the names this Lucinda chose for her own children resemble those of Daniel Helm(s)' by his three wives, including Barbary and Ellen. Also, many of Daniel's 14 children are buried in the Powhatan Point area, where Malachi 2 was born.
Another possibly was that this Lucinda is the same person as the 14-year-old Luise Helms who married 26-year-old Zachariah Brindley in Brooke County, WV in 1854 (He is buried in Cadiz Union Cemetery in Jefferson County, Ohio, along with his father Benjamin. That Zachariah had an ex-wife and son; they had married 1846 in Washington County, when his father lived in Athens County.) According to the WV record, Luise's parents were Samuel and Mary Helms and the marriage occurred in "Mary's home," implying that Samuel was already dead or gone by then. The license was in Brooke County, where there are many Brindleys buried. But connections, if any, from those Brindleys or this Samuel Helms to the Helms family above are unclear.
DNA tracking strongly supports the Helm/Barnhouse theory.
Given the Webb references for this Lucinda at both her marriage to Malachi Scott and her subsequent children, it seems likely that she had an earlier marriage to a Monroe or Belmont County Webb, before remarrying to Scott. If she also had married Brindley first, the Webb marriage would have been second (a possibility, given the serial, short-term marriages pattern on the Brindley side.)
Confusingly, there are no known Webb families matching this Lucinda's early years description in Monroe, Belmont or Washington Counties or adjacent West Virginia -- under any name variations. There are a couple of contenders for a possible early Webb candidates in Monroe County for what would have been a short-lived first or second marriage -- but also no known documentation of such, yet. A number of online trees attribute this Lucinda to various Webb parents, but do not support the contention and DNA does not seem to argue for it.
The Webb name was more common in Washington or Monroe counties than Belmont, at least as reflected in early-era online records so far. Given the Helm(s) family already being in Belmont, her presence still at home in the 1850 Belmont census, and her marriage (1858) to Malachi being in Belmont to a fellow Belmont resident, it seems likeliest that her first marriage(s) also was in Belmont. But a first (or second?) marriage in neighboring West Virginia or Monroe is just as possible. But she may not have had children by that marriage. She was only 20 years old when she married Malachi Scott.
Birth and death dates reported for Lucinda here come, so far, only from her tombstone, which did not reference the locations. Dates on Malachi's adjacent group tombstone conflicts slightly with other records.
The church's early records were destroyed by vandals.
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