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Chris Vroman (#48405475)
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Thank you so much for locating, photographing and posting the picture of Clinton and Hannah Reynolds headstone. I appreciate it very much.
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Added by larh on Oct 20, 2015 1:09 PM
Sandi Litzenberg
RE: Sarah L. Vroman Tefft
Good Morning Chris.. I took my daughter to school this morning and stopped by the Floral Grove Cemetery on my way back.. I took a quick look around Jenks' memorial and didn't see Peter in the vacinity.. I also looked thru the records that I have for the cemeteries that are near Malcolm and still no luck..

So you were out this way yesterday eh?? It was kind of a crappy day weather wise.. Today is suppose to be alot warmer but still a chance of scattered strong storms ripping thru..

The deal with the kids & cousins all being named the same & their middle names being used has to do with superstition & old German Folklore.. it was a way for them to confuse & trick the devil if or when he came for their children.. I've run into that issue many many times while working on my family tree.. in one branch alone I must have had 5 or more, same first & last names, all cousins & all born within a few years of one another in Pennsylvania.. trying to place them with the proper family can be maddening ESPECIALLY when they were marrying their first cousins too!! I have a few that have same FIRST & MIDDLE NAMES as well as the their fathers having the SAME names.. Some of my tree branches are pretty twisted.. LOL.. I even have 2 sisters(both are my 3rd great grandmothers & my 3rd great grandaunts) marrying 2 brothers(my 3rd great grandfathers/granduncles) and then their children (my great great grandparents) who were DOUBLE FIRST COUSINS married.. Thankfully I don't have 6 fingers like the many of the Pennsylvania Amish do.. I guess their gene pool is so small that it's becoming a real issue for them.. Mine weren't Amish, nor were they of the 'backwoods-mountain people' stereotype.. lol.. so the only thing I can figure as to why there was so much inner marrying going on must have had something to do with their 'ancestral bloodline' belief.. I'm just glad that it's not practiced anymore and that I didn't have to marry a cousin or uncle..ewwwwwwww.. LOL
Added by Sandi Litzenberg on Apr 29, 2014 7:32 AM
Sandi Litzenberg
RE: Sarah L. Vroman Tefft
Jenks is the son's name who is buried at Floral Grove Pioneer.. I have no idea where I came up with Z??? lol.. it had been a long day yesterday..

Anyways.. the wind is hawking out there and we're expecting rain so I'm not sure if I'll make it up there today or not.. in the meantime, I'll recheck the records that I have for the cemeteries near Malcolm.. there are several within a few miles.. I can't imagine him being buried much further than a few miles away from his home given their mode of transportation back in the 1870s.. unless he was taken back to be buried with his parents?? I did check with the lady who transcribed the Palmer Cemetery, which is the cemetery that I believe was the cemetery "just to the north & west" that was mentioned in the Nettle Lake record as having been where the relocated graves come from.. and she didn't have him in her records either..

I wanted to mention that I came across information on another Peter C. (same middle name Conine but spelled differently.. with a Y in it like Conyn or something) that was a member of the LDS and is buried in Salt Lake City Utah.. if I remember correctly.. I'll see if I can come across it again.. I'm like a tazmainian devil when it comes to my searches and will sometimes toss aside something that I think is irrelevent at the moment and then when I go back to find it.. I can't... UGH.. it's frustrating being an unmedicated adult with ADD.. lol..
Added by Sandi Litzenberg on Apr 28, 2014 7:08 AM
Sandi Litzenberg
RE: Sarah L. Vroman Tefft
Hi Chris.. I have a Malcolm Cemetery record and it isn't showing that he's buried there..

Now I know that all of the entries for Floral Grove Cemetery haven't been listed on the find a grave site yet and am wondering if perhaps he could be buried there.. with one of his sons.. I can't remember his name for the life of me at the moment.. but I believe it was the son who's name started with a Z??.. I was just getting ready to head to bed and I don't have the Floral Grove page in front of me at the moment but I wanted to get back with you .. so I will look into it tomorrow and if the weather permits, I'll take a ride over there (it's just up the road) and look around his son's marker and see if Peter might be there.. I know exactly where the son's marker is located so it won't be any trouble..

I want to tell you to not give up hope as there are still many graves here in Williams County that have yet to be added to this site.. and now that spring has sprung.. I'll be getting back out there to find as many as I can, get them photographed and added to find a grave...

Oh and the church that used to be on the Malcolm cemetery site was called United Brethren Church..

Talk with you tomorrow..

Sandi L.
Added by Sandi Litzenberg on Apr 27, 2014 10:43 PM
Sandi Litzenberg
RE: Sarah L. Vroman Tefft
Hi Chris..

It's not much at the moment, but I have a bit of information on the Nettle Lake area.. Within the Nettle Lake Cemetery record, which seems the most likely place to start our search, there is a testimonial, from a man named Dale Humphrey, that there are several graves that were relocated there from a smaller unknown cemetery that was just to the "north and west" of the present day cemetery.. Peter doesn't appear to be one of those relocations so I'm wondering if there are still graves within this unknown cemetery.. I've checked satellite maps but it's really difficult to tell where this cemetery might have been.. I think the only way I will be able to find out is by checking out some old maps of that area or asking someone at the church across the road.. Now as far as knocking on someone's door.. I've done it myself.. no one answered so I left a note in the mailbox with my phone number. The lady called me later that day.. I was well received and granted permission to access and photograph the cemetery located on their land .. I later found out that by law.. if there are burials on their property, they HAVE TO ALLOW public access.. This has caused an issue with some farmers from what I've heard.. rumor has it that the farmers like to slowly do away with these tiny cemeteries by not maintaining them, removing stones if they've fallen over and by letting time and mother nature erase their existance so that they can farm these forgotten sites.. I was shocked and disgusted to hear that this was a common practice.. Here in Williams county I know of several tiny little cemeteries that still sit right in the middle of these huge farm fields.. unfortunately, I imagine there were some that were just 'erased' over time.. but hopefully there are records that still exist somewhere that show where these cemeteries were once located and who is buried within them..

I have a few other things that I'll be checking with my librarian about so I'll add an 1870's map of the Nettle Lake area to my list and see what I can come up with.. and in the meantime, if you want to knock on some doors.. I'd say go for it.. I believe that most of the folks out here won't have an issue with it..

Added by Sandi Litzenberg on Apr 24, 2014 7:56 AM
Sandi Litzenberg
RE: Sarah L. Vroman Tefft
Hi Chris.. I sooooo wanted to bring you good news with this reply.. but.. unfortunately.. I have no information on the whereabouts of your Peter.. After reading your message last nite, I went thru all my photos and the records for Columbia and the surrounding cemeteries.. I even looked thru find a grave listings for Indiana & Mich without any luck.. Williams county borders Indiana and Mich and many times family members can be found in one of the neighboring cemeteries just over the border.. Do you happen to have a bit more information on Peter other than birth and death years?? Like perhaps a township or some other clue as to where I could concentrate my search for him?? I was able to find a Peter B. Vroman in Fulton county (a neighboring county) who died in 1884 and there is a Lovina Vroman #103038168 , 10 Sep 1819-24 Dec 1899, up in Michigan but again the dates don't match yours. Any additional information would be helpful.. Another thing to keep in mind is that sometimes folks were buried on their own property at that time too.. especially if they were farmers or large land owners..

I wouldn't lose hope if I were you.. it took me a few years to 'find' one of my great grandfathers in Pennnsylvania and it was just by chance/coincidence that I was able to locate him. I had inherited several old family photo albums with pics dating all the way back to the civil war and within one of the albums there were some pictures of my great grandmother visiting the gravesite of her father (the GGgrandfather that I was searching for) and the photos showed some of the surrounding family graves.. so from there I contacted the woman who had photographed the other family stones in that cemetery and she was able to find my GGF in the background of one of her photos.. so it all worked out.. it was just a matter of time.. sooo.. If your Peter is here in Williams county.. our contributors will find him.. eventually..

Sandi L.
Added by Sandi Litzenberg on Apr 23, 2014 7:14 AM

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