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Mo Memorials 2 Make (#48395236)
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Bio Photo Karen & Richard Gorman (picture in our earlier days) are feeling their way through as we go, making mistakes and learning new things daily together, meeting new people, making friends, meeting new relatives and "going places we have never been before. We love going on "TEX~PEDITIONS". We look at Cemeteries in a whole new way now!

Many blessings to all that cross our path, God truly works in mysterious ways indeed! Happy Trails following the paths of your loved ones.

Karen & Richard

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Stolen from Ruth M. Brown, a very wise woman.

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Walding & Gaston names
I've updated, linked, & added any info I could find to the Walding & Gaston names in Menard Chapel Cemetery. If you have anything further to add to their memorials, please let me know and I'll gladly add it. As for transferring them, I'm sorry but you did not state your relationship to the names, and I do not believe they are your direct line.
Added by Deb on Aug 22, 2014 4:46 PM
Oscar Skogaen & family
There are NO individual markers, just the main marker with everyone's name on it.

I went back today and double checked I didn't miss them. I checked on all four sides of the marker as far as the next rows in case they encroached on them and I had assumed they belonged to the other family, but that was not the case. I took a picture of the entire area in from of the marker if you want it as confirmation.

If you will notice, this is a very modern marker in mint condition even though it commemorates deaths 50 years ago - making me wonder if the family decided to 'upgrade' at some point, since three of the 5 people memorialized lived into the 80s and 90s.
Added by Anonymous on Aug 22, 2014 1:57 PM
Cecil Vaden Jr.
RE: Hi Cecil
Just sent you an e-mail with the picture attached.
Added by Cecil Vaden Jr. on Aug 20, 2014 2:12 PM
RE: Hi
Who are you referring to?
Added by Anonymous on Aug 17, 2014 3:57 PM
Cindy ( Pennel )Paulson
RE: Hi---Question
Which cemetery? and what name? When I have a request for a family name, I take photos of all the family names in the cemetery. If I see the name in other cemeteries, I take those photo also. I do not think we are related. Have a good evening Cindy.
Added by Cindy ( Pennel )Paulson on Aug 11, 2014 10:28 PM
Maiden names
A lot of people are confused about maiden names and last names as per Find a Grave naming conventions. I've copied and pasted this from the FAQs.

Maiden Name
Maiden name of a married individual, if known (otherwise leave blank); the maiden name is automatically italicized and should only be used if the individual was married and took the spouse's last name as their new last name. If the deceased was never married, then the last name should be placed in the "Last Name" field, NOT in the "Maiden Name" field.

So you see, unless someone has been married, they don't have a maiden name.

Added by Priscilla on Jul 31, 2014 11:18 PM
Iris Meshell
RE: Urgent Attention (Gorman memorials)
FYI, Karen ... I did try to use the "Edit" tabs to begin with, but at that time there wasn't much cooperation with the memorials' creators. I'm so sorry that you are upset, but you don't need to get bent out of shape over a date discrepancy of 3 years.....things like this happen. I personally knew some of the old folks around this area (including Gormans), and I hope you will come to realize that a lot of the older information is not an exact science. So, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Added by Iris Meshell on Jul 27, 2014 8:43 PM
RE: your pictures
I'll admit that reading your original convoluted message was a bit like wading through a letter from my bipolar cousin. On first glance, I could have shot off a retort akin to the different tones of your own message but I took the time to read your profile and realized you have only been "into" genealogy, Ancestry and F-A-G for less than a year and only added less than a dozen memorials to F-A-G, from what I read. I decided you have presented a great TEACHABLE MOMENT. I will try to address several of your issues more fully here and let you see other sides of the coin!!

Hi, I was just a bit curious and wondering why you put the name of the Cemetery and location, across the photos you take of people's tombstones?
[I explained this in my first reply to you but as a FYI point ... My father was born and raised in Brookeland, TX. The Brookeland Cemetery was the first cemetery I photographed with my first digital camera and I hand-html-coded the pages to create slideshow that I mentioned in that reply with over 650 tombstone photos and a separate page had to be hand-coded for each entry in order for the slideshow effect to function. It took months to produce the final product. Later I created and before I closed it I was hosting over 14,000 Southeast Texas tombstone photos that I had taken.]

I just found and was at Pete Miller's Find A Grave Memorial# 29626536 and to me it takes away from the stone and does not leave the stone as purchased by the families. There is a specific spot on Find A Grave for that info and the photos should be just like it is, in the Cemeteries and as the families purchased.
[There are two photos on Pete Miller's page, the watermark DOES NOT effect the broad shot at all. The watermark does touch the face of the stone in the CLOSE-UP shot but DOES NOT alter the readability whatsoever.]

People order photos to be taken of their loved one's to honor them to complete the Memorials.
[Not exactly sure WHAT you mean here!..... only those who have submitted 'PHOTO REQUESTS' through F-A-G for a tombstone photo that has not yet been already added to F-A-G could possibly be considered a 'order' for a tombstone photo. All other tombstone photos on F-A-G have been submitted by volunteer photographers for the purpose of hopefully creating a 'complete' virtual photographic representation of entire cemeteries. Long before digital cameras came along, I often received requests from some people who lived several hundred or even thousands of miles from the cemeteries near me to take a photo of a specific tombstone and always received an offer for reimbursement for the expense [i.e. gas, development costs & return postage] involved in completing that task because that iswas the 'courtesy code' between family historians & genealogists and how they most often handled information requests...back in the pre-internet days.]

Why do you and are doing this? Are you afraid of copyright issues? Which to me that wouldn't make sense, because it's not your property to copyright. So please let me understand why, you choose to do this please.
[My first negative introduction to F-A-G was a few years ago when I received an email informing me that someone had STOLEN photos from my LEST-WE-FORGET tombstone site and posted on to F-A-G, complete with my L-W-F copyright watermark [see F-A-G # 16666132]. I've allowed a few photos to remain on F-A-G to be used in teachable moments like this. The 'ANONYMOUS' person involved in uploading that photo knew he had never even asked permission to use the photo and that I would have likely granted permission, or posted it myself, as the tombstone photo is of a direct ancestor of mine also. There were few 'regular' tombstone photos on F-A-G back then as F-A-G was originally created to highlight the burial places of FAMOUS individuals. More examples: # 18666499 - # 79820453]

Placing a watermark on a photo of a tombstone in NO WAY makes a claim to the tombstone marker itself. I suspect you already know that fact. As to the photograph itself.... as soon as I, or any photographer, pushes the button to take any photo the COPYRIGHT ownership of that photo belongs to the photographer. I would suggest that you do a little research into COPYRIGHT issues as you seem to have little grasp of the subject. The copyright ownership of EVERY tombstone photograph on F-A-G belongs to each and every photographer that took each photo. Visitors to the pages on F-A-G should NEVER ASSUME they have ANY right to just right-click and save a copy to their computer, to be used as they see fit, without written permission of the photographer involved... as that act is THEFT.... plain and simple. Most often a simple and respectful request to the photographer will lead to the desired results. Copyright ownership DOES NOT change even when a specific memorial management is transferred to another person or even if the original photographer dies. If you have any additional questions as to the copyright ownership to any photograph I'd be happy to point you in the right direction as it has often been a topic on the F-A-G discussion boards and across the internet.]

I also am wondering if you were asked to remove that added writing to a family's tombstone- would you do that?

[Had you ONLY asked if I had a original copy of Pete Miller's tombstone photo and, if so, could you have a 'clean' copy for your personal use, I would have told you that I probably do have a original copy on one of the hundreds of 3 &1/2 inch disks that my first digital camera... a $1800..2.0 megapixel SONY recorded directly to those disks. I happen to be holding that Sony in the photo on my F-A-G profile page. However, I no longer own a PC with a 3 & 1/2 floppy drive. I could possibly have another clean copy on one of my many external backup drives but I not inclined to search through backup drives through over 20,000 tombstone photos at present. I will probably continue to add the watermarks in the future. I guess you better get a 'clean' copy elsewhere.

I personally am not a fan of this idea. It shows haughtiness and possessiveness like "Look what I did!" This may not be how you intend it to look or be perceived but to me it is like graffiti and desecration to a tombstone and people should have a choice to have it or not!
[The 'choice' you imply would only come into play if you had permission to copy and make any use of any F-A-G photo. You are only entitled to 'your' opinion!! You know what they say about opinions!!

I want you to know that I am not here to upset you or point fingers or offend you. I am just pointing out another side of how this effects others. This is my family and I would appreciate the added writing to be removed on Pete's stone please and thanks in advance.

[Small world... Pete's wife.... Luciel Josephine BUCKLEY Baxter Miller is a blood relative of mine. It did seem a bit strange that you didn't mention her in your message since she is your closer connection.]

People like to take these photos and carry them in many places, bibles, photo books etc. I want to be clear. I am not telling you what to do or how to do it! I am just sharing with you another side that you may never have thought of. You are the only one I have seen use this tactic and way of photographing the stones. Some may like it, as for me I do not!
[Again you make it sound as if you believe, you, or any other F-A-G visitor, has some right to copy and use the F-A-G photos as you or they see fit without permission... I will again suggest that you do some research on COPYRIGHT issues and permissions. Another FYI... most people who have been doing digital photography for very long have learned to imbed their copyright information within the raw file itself as a added measure against copyright theft. I've also seen other F-A-G photo's with watermarks, but I do realize you are a 'newbie' and you will probably run across some sooner or later.]

I love the volunteers that help, do, give, are dedicated to families and the deceased loved ones. They are needed and appreciated but we are here to uplift our loved ones, and not turn the attention to a volunteer's work. There is a special place for that. Find A Grave was very efficient of thinking about that, before hand.
So please do not take this TEXT WRITTEN (text is always so coldddddd and dry and people take it wrong many times, but its never intended to hurt, maim or put another down)out of context. I just want to share with you another side of the coin.

My thinking reflects back to God. The scriptures tell us if we have done something for another, give money, feed a hungry person etc. We are to do it in silence, don't tell others, don't brag or boast about it. If we do this then we reap the rewards and take the glory away from the Lord. It's HIS, not ours and then in turn God will reward us. When and how we are rewarded, is unknown by me. I don't worry about that, cause I figure Jesus dying for the world's sins was the all time sacrifice and we owe so much to God and deserve nothing.
[Let's let GOD judge each of us on our own merits and shortcomings!!]

This was wayyyy, paraphrased, but I wanted to share with you. I hope and pray you are not offended and will truly think about this and make some choices for others to choose from. I don't want you upset or angry, because I stepped up and said something.
I just wanted to be upfront about it.
[And I'm trying to be upfront with you also while being as tactful as possible!]

Thanks for all the work and dedication you do for many families. I just am asking for your additions to the tombstone to stop and be put in the proper and allocated place where Find A Grave has made for these things.
[I'll quote YOU here from above....."I am not telling you what to do or how to do it!" Of course, your whole message seemed to be about you telling me exactly what YOU wanted me to do or not to do.]

Thanks so much, and again, I am not upset, angry etc, just sharing and showing you another side to this coin, sorta speak. Find A Grave is an awesome place and if we all started doing these little changes/additions- Find A Grave would be chaos and not a calm, uplifting, honoring site for everyone's loved ones. If you disagree with me, and that could happen and it's totally okay, we all have our own opinions, we can ask Find A Grave what they think. Maybe they would have a solution or another place or software update for people to take off the writing or leave it on. I know for a fact, some folks will love it! That's what makes us American's- freedom to choose.
[LOL... Go for it!..... Maybe F-A-G will finally add a script to prevent right-clicking on the photos as so many have asked for... :) ]

Thanks again, can't wait to hear from you to brainstorm with.
[I'm open for more 'brainstorming' if you feel the need.]

Have a blessed weekend and be safe. Hugs, Karen Renee'

Added by RootsLady-BYD on Jul 21, 2014 5:38 PM
RE: your pictures
Sorry you seem to be so bothered by the Cemetery name being added to the photos but you see I had taken thousands of tombstone photos before there was even a FIND-A-GRAVE and hand html-coded what may have been the first internet tombstone slideshow long before there were slideshow "apps" or code sniplets available.

In addition, when I look at a tombstone photo, on my PC, I want to know exactly WHICH cemetery that photo was taken in, as there are MANY errors on Find A Grave. Perhaps when you've been doing this as long as I have you will have a better understanding of the methods behind the 'madness' !!

Have a great day.
Added by RootsLady-BYD on Jul 12, 2014 3:19 PM
Susanna Parrish Allen
RE: the other pic
Sorry about that. I added the photo. Somehow when I uploaded them, I missed Selma!
Added by Susanna Parrish Allen on Jul 11, 2014 2:28 PM
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