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Dave Gardner (#48064954)
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Bio Photo Gaston County Native.

Maternal Grandson of David Newton Anderson (Memorial# 12889901) and Agnes Pauline Eller (Memorial# 75181016).

Paternal Great-Grandson of Theodore Ray Gardner (Memorial# 95816187)and Cleo Sylvia Bolch (Memorial# 95816078).

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patricia
RE: Martha Catherine Short Gardner
Hi William

Martha Short was the sister of Dovie May Bell Short. The parents were Letty Towery and Robert Short. They had numerous brothers and sisters. If you want this information, let me know.

Do you know if John Henry Gardner was the brother of Louisa Gardner? Louisa was my great great grandmother and I have been trying to find more information about her.

Thanks

Pat
Added by patricia on Jan 08, 2014 7:55 PM
Susan
Robert & Daniel and Dovie Short Gardner
William,
do you go by William or David? I think i saw you sign "Dave"...anyways:

What I wanted to share with you is something I found today in a book that Daniel James Gardner's son Danny Jr. wrote for us and self-published of his family memories before he passed away in 2006.

Daniel James Gardner was Robert's little brother. Robert was Dovie Short Gardner's husband.

I'm thinking Dovie was Martha's Short Gardner's sister? but I'd have to look that up to make sure.

Anyhooo...I wrote this same info on Patricia's page too, but I don't know if you saw it or not and since you were asking, I figured I'll tell you what we know.

This book was talking about John H. Gardner, who was Martha Short Gardner's husband.

Uncle Danny was speculating about Martha's husband possibly being related to Dovie's husband Robert, because our Granny Louisa Gardner (Robert & Daniel's mother) had a brother named John Gardner who was in the 1960 census living at home. And then he was listed again in 1870. But after that, they can't locate him anywhere.

"SO. who knows" is what the book states''...lol...

But, Uncle Danny speculates that maybe John H. Gardner that married Martha Short Gardner, was indeed the brother of Dovie's husband's mother. And maybe the sister's married related Gardner men?

So, I read that today, and asked Daniel Jame's grandson if he had ever heard anything about whether or not Martha's husband John H. Gardner was related to our line or not, and he said "i always thought he was, but so far I've not really traced that side to figure it out or not, but because of the close proximity to the rest of us, I do think he is probably blood kin to us"

The only thing I see in this book, is that our granny Louisa Gardner (mother of Robert and Daniel) had an older brother in the 1960 and 1870 census named John. So too late for him to have passed in an unmarked mass grave in the Civil war. We just don't know why we lost track of him and can't find him in further census.

We've never really tried hard to find him, but i see this all noted in this book, so I figured I'd let you know we were curious too to find out to what happened to Granny's brother John, and whether or not Martha Short Gardner had married, him. Or who is was that she did marry, if not that John Gardner.

"It may be the same John Gardner, who knows?" that's what the Danny wrote in his book, lol.

I had this thought, if you hadn't checked it yet. Maybe whoever was doing this Robert H. research on our side, was checking Kings Mountain, which was South Carolina census? and didn't look over here in Bessemer City or Gaston county?? who knows....But maybe you are tied in through Granny somehow.

Here's our Line in case you don't have it: it is very sketchy:

Father: Daniel Gardner (captured during Civil War and died of dysentery at Pt Lookout, and put in a mass grave) I think i have seen his name on the lists, i forget, i get mixed up, forgive me)

Son Robert (captured during Civil War, at Pt Lookout too, but he came home after the war)

Son James

Daughter Louisa (mother of Robert Dovie Short Gardner's husband, and Daniel James....then Louisa married Conner and had 3 boys Burgin, Mac and Columbus who passed when he was a child)

(also captured in the Civil War, and put at Pt Lookout, in case you end up our kin and want to know, was Rufus Ware, who is reputed to be the father of Louisa's sons Robert and Daniel, but not proven yet by DNA)

SO, I wanted to tell you that IF we find out any proof of John H. Gardner being related to our side , we will let you know about John H. and if you are related to us or not... and please do the same if you find out anything, thank you!

Susie
Added by Susan on Jan 08, 2014 2:45 PM
Susan
Gardner
Patricia and David William,

I don't know if I should be writing this here, or over on Patricia's page, or on an email, BUT here's what I know, as told to me personally by Daniel James Gardner's son Edward (Patricia: Daniel James was your great-grandpa Robert's brother):

i know "Routh" is a made up first name that was put on the death certificate...Louisa's grandson Edward, told me they all made it up to cover up the father's identity.

I've personally heard several versions of this same scenario from Daniel's children they said their father told them about his unknown father:

1) At the time of their mother's death, Daniel James and Robert, did not know who their father was. Louisa never married till they were older and then she married Mr Conner and they had a couple of kids. (i have Louisa's 3 younger sons, with Mr. Conner, names on my family tree as Burgin, Mac and Columbus. Columbus died in childhood and Daniel James named one of his sons after him.)

Daniel recounted to his children, (who later told me), that at Louisa's funeral, Louisa's two oldest sons Daniel J. and Robert (your great-grandfather) were approached by "a person", (whoever that was, none of us living know) who said to Daniel and Robert "that man over there is your father" and pointed to a man who's name was "Rufus Alexander Ware"....

2) Here's another version I've heard: Robert was older, and he and Daniel were at a funeral in Kingsport (where their mother had them) and Robert said to Daniel "see that man over there?, that is our father Rufus Ware"

I have a photo of Rufus Ware. Louisa gave it to Daniel's 2nd wife Catherine before she passed away. It was in an envelope, and on the envelope is Catherine's handwriting that says "Rufus A. Ware, father of Bud Gardner". "Bud" was Daniel's knickname.

We all assume Rufus was the father, since there Catherine would have had no reason to write that, unless it was told to her by Louisa, or her husband Daniel at the time.

UNFORTUNATELY, Rufus was a married man down the street from Louisa as a young girl all her life. And to our knowledge, according to records, he still was married at the time of Daniel and Robert's births. She was about 24 I think, when she had Robert, then 26 when she had Daniel James. Maybe Mr Ware was divorced or separated?

All i know if what I have been told by Daniel's sons and what they were told by Daniel. All of us have been led to believe that Mr Ware was married at the time of Robert and Daniel's births, and if he is the father, then it would have been a secret affair on the side, and that is why it has remained a mystery. No one has approached the Wares for DNA testing.

This is why it's a delicate situation, none of us wish to approach them about, in order to do DNA, since we all know Daniel and Robert were Louisa's children, and we are not wanting to disrupt their lives and memories of their Rufus Ware ancestor.

BUT, at the same time, you can't change the truth of who your blood ancestors are, and all of us would like to know if we are indeed "Rufus Ware's ancestors too". The funny/ironic part is, Louis gave Robert and Daniel James her maiden name of "Gardner" birth, since she was not married. IF we are indeed proved to be "Wares", then the Gardner name is not our's to carry. Although none of that matters when it comes to being actual blood relatives.

From our line of Daniel James, none of us really know for sure, but every one of us feels Rufus is the most likely to be the father of Daniel and Robert. No one else has ever come forward to dispute it, nor has anyone come forward to give any other possible fathers. Since it rings so true, from that person telling the boys at their mother's or other funeral, "that man over there is your father", to the photograph of Rufus with the handwriting of Louisa's daughter in law stating "Rufus A. Ware, father of Bud Gardner", we just assume for now he is the grandfather of us all. To this day, we all still live in this area, 2 generations later and no one else has ever come forth to say anything any different as far as who else could have been Robert and Daniel's father.

We have thought about maybe there could have been a coverup of who the father was, for other reasons than just "a married man", and for some reason, someone decided to peg "Mr Rufus Ware" as the "guilty party" at the funeral, knowing full well he too, was not the father of Robert and Daniel James. We don't really know, we just pieced together Daniel always telling us that Rufus was his father.

I live with the grandson of Daniel James, and he too would somehow like to figure out who his great-grandfather is, and whether or not he is Rufus Alexander Ware. For now, we all just keep believing that funeral story. Until we find out else-wise. Officially, we are just as clueless down here about who the father was, but we all believe it was Mr Ware.

As far as "famous goes", I am thinking we read some things on Rufus's life, but now forget what they were, lolololololol...I guess i shouldn't laugh, but it seems to me, mabye he was "the postmaster"? something like that, and so maybe he did have a job where someone thought ''scandal'' would ruin him??? The thing is, Louisa was not married, and therefore someone has to be Robert and Daniel's father.

Robert and Daniel were brothers, I live with Robert's grandson. Daniel is also buried in Hollywood cemetery. He had 2 wives, the first one died, and he remarried and had children with both wives. Both Mrs Daniel James Gardner wives are buried beside Daniel in Hollywood. As are several of his children from both marriages.

Patricia: we did not know much about your great-grandparents passing. It was so painful, no one talked about it. Our grandpa Daniel, ied when we were 2, so we found out about the details in our genealogy search through newspaper archives.

Oddly enough, even though I'm not a Gardner, my mother was on that stretch of road and she was hit by a drunk hit and run driver in a stolen car Christmas Eve 2002. Daniel's grandson and my daughter just happened to be at the store and witnessed it out in the street, not realizing it was my mother. Sometimes life can seem like roads have a curse on them. There will always be many stories about that incident that claimed your great-great- grandparents no one wants to talk about. It will remain fishy and tragic and probably half the story never known by any of us. We are so very sorry your great-great-grandparents passed in this tragic way. This all happened long before any of us were alive, but at the time everyone said Daniel James was never the same after that happened to Robert and Dovie

David:

I don't believe that John Avery Gardner or William Avery is in any of my immediate Gaston County "family tree" information. So I'm not sure if we are related to you David, but if I find him linked up to us, I will come back and tell you.

Are "Martha Short'' and Dovie Short" related to each other? I know Dovie was Robert's wife.

sincerely, Susie
Added by Susan on Jan 08, 2014 12:33 PM
patricia
RE: Martha Catherine Short Gardner
The Robert Franklin Gardner Sr. that is in my family tree was the son of Louisa Gardner ( December 22, 1850)0. She was the daughter of Daniel Gardner and Nancy Blaylock. Robert's father is unknown to me at this time. I have asked few relatives that I have left numerous times who the father was but they will not tell me. I have a feeling it was considered a scandal at the time. Possibly a famous person. Robert's father is listed as Routh Gardner on his death certificate. I believe that is a made up name. Who knows.

Robert married Dovie Mae Belle Short. They both died as a result of being hit by a car while they were crossing a road to see Dovie's sister. I believe the date was June 6, 1937. They had numerous children together. If you want the names of the children please let me know.

Pat
Added by patricia on Dec 23, 2013 4:37 PM
patricia
RE: Martha Catherine Short Gardner
Hi,

I was able to figure out how to transfer the memorial. It is now yours.

Pat
Added by patricia on Dec 23, 2013 8:57 AM
patricia
RE: Martha Catherine Short Gardner
Hi David,

Yes. I would be willing to transfer this memorial to you. I am a direct descendant of the Gardner family. My great grandfather was Robert Franklin Gardner. HIs son, John Quincy Gardner was my grandfather. I am also a descendant of the Towery family. If you need any information on these families, I would be happy to help you as much as possible.

I am not sure how to transfer the memorial over to you. If you know how to do it, please let me know.

Thanks.

Pat.
Added by patricia on Dec 23, 2013 8:52 AM
Sue Leitzsey Bradley
William Pearlie Anderson
is now in your care.
Added by Sue Leitzsey Bradley on Nov 12, 2013 4:54 PM
 

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