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Capt (#47510447)
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Bio Photo Researching mostly Sailor Surname including Sailer-Saylor-Sayler-Seiler-Seyler PA, MD, OH and IL and beyond (from Germany, Holland, Switzerland and England)

Thanks for reading my profile.

Many thanks to all the countless considerate and collaborative researchers, photographers and memorial holders out there.. Even though FAG gives no recognition to the hundreds of thousands of edits, people linked to families and Bios/obits submitted, our collective efforts on FAG are what makes it so useful and informative. It truly and honestly honors our ancestors. They nor I care about the numbers, we care about the quality of the content and who cared enough to seek it out and give it continued life for future generations here.

A few important things..

Please remember this site runs on volunteer efforts. It's purpose is to memorialize those that have gone before us. Be nice, use please and thank you. Practice the golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you... Be considerate of other peoples efforts and time. We are a virtual team and we need to work together and this should be fun right?

Duplicates happen for whatever reason but trying to get them resolved between two creators can sometimes be challenging. Please don't just delete your memorial or send me multiple posts about who's was first or whatever the record was changed from another cemetery, etc, etc. All I can see is the two dates on the Memorials. You can contact FAG support to help resolve it, please do. It's your memorial and that is part of managing it. I just want the data to be there in one record and be correct. In truth, FAG should have a "merge request" function.

FAG does permit them. Read the rules! If I've sent you an obit for the person, please post it. To me it is just as important as the headstone photo or memorial entry you made. Not everyone has access to find them and why should they need to when I've already done the work of looking it up? If your too busy to post it please consider transferring the memorial to me because I'm more than willing to manage it.
- I included sources for what I submit and also my member name and number as submitter. Please don't remove it, it is part of the submission. I did the work to find it, not you. I copy myself and watch for confirmations. I will call you on the removal of my member name if it mysteriously drops off.

I've requested headstone photos especially for the older graves before they disappear from age or developer land-grabs and eminent domain. If your taking photos a few suggestions:
-If only one photo name is requested but the stone has 2 names please provide a shot of the whole thing sometimes you don't even know they had a spouse. Close crops won't include these important hints.
-Knowing the proximity of the headstones in relation to each other can be very helpful. If possible, please take an extra shot showing the grouping of the family plot. These hints can sometimes reveal important family relationships. If you post a photo for me thank you very much and I really appreciate your efforts. In the rare situation that the photo can't be read, please don't be offended if I request it again. Sometimes the light is bad or the upload gets pixaliated and the stone can't be read. If you want to use a headstone photo I've taken feel free to use it for non-commercial use but please include my member name listed below.

If you want a transfer of a memorial I have posted send a request via the edit tab and if it isn't one of my ancestors I'm happy to transfer to you. If it is maybe we are related! Thanks for any photos, contacts or edit requests regarding any of these families genealogy.

Errors and edits:
I try really hard to only provide good data. I usually have more than one source before I submit. With that said, I do make mistakes from time to time. If you find a mistake I have made please contact me (via edit) and I'm happy to update or even do a bit more research. I'm not interested in collecting numbers only accuracy so don't be shy, I won't be upset at you or mad, I promise.

If I've sent you an edit request that you don't agree to right off for some reason please, be considerate enough to look at the other memorial(s) I'm requesting the link to. Usually I've spent a considerable amount of time researching this and that's why the edit was requested. In most cases there will be information that confirms the relationship on the other person's memorial. As a good memorial holder and FAG member I don't think it's unrealistic to expect that you would at least take a moment or two to review the information provided before you click decline otherwise you are just wasting peoples time and efforts. If you decline based on other information you have that shows a conflict, please provide that detail or contact me and we can resolve the conflict or enlighten each other.

Our common goals:
My goal is to capture the data as best I can to honor those that came before us, learn about them and document them for the future generations when the stones and families no longer exist. At the end of the day my goal is to have an accurate record of the headstone holder - and hopefully their family members after all this site is really to honor them isn't it?

SAILOR including
TURNER / GILLESPIE (Northern Ireland,Scotland)

If you made it all the way down here you deserve a tip! This is a cool trick for finding text strings in a web site (like this one)

text to look for

To check out the power of this tip paste this into your browser and check it out: (all one line)

Florin and a pump maker by trade


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Mary Ann Missimer-Moore
RE: Elizabeth Sailer
A couple years ago church volunteers did a major undertaking of fixing the cemetery and all the stones. Some stones are broken at the bottom and stones are missing. Other stones just have initials. And some are just unreadable.
Added by Mary Ann Missimer-Moore on Jul 19, 2016 2:50 PM
Joel Shore
RE: Seiler
That is a cool trick...I hadn't thought of it.

What we did, which takes more time, but was worth it in this case because we are searching that site a lot, is simply to copy the various pages into two large WORD files (one for the old sections and one for the new sections) and now we can search those two WORD files.

Added by Joel Shore on Jul 10, 2016 5:04 PM
Joel Shore
RE: Seiler
"I was looking at the pdf buriel info - it can be quite informative but I sure didn't see all of the Seilers that have memorials there so I figure there must be some other source of info."

Well, I just linked to the relevant page for one date range. Here is the link to search for different date ranges: and of course there are also the spelling variations and the fact that occasionally even if the spelling is okay, they still put the person on the wrong page. (An example of this is Charles Seiler 1883 who should have been on the page beginning "Seh" like Christina Seiler was but accidently was put on the page beginning with "Scr".)

Going through those records...and also looking at the survey of surviving legible markers (, you can find other Seiler's...and most of those who died after 1892 will not yet have Find-a-Grave memorials created for them.

Added by Joel Shore on Jul 10, 2016 1:22 PM
Joel Shore
RE: Seiler
Yeah...I did realize the Christina one was a duplicate memorial and noted this in the caption of the first photo that I posted. In this case, my policy has been to put pictures up on duplicate memorials but to note in the caption that it and the other memorial are duplicates of each other. (If neither has pictures, I'll put them up on both.) Then, in the future, if one of the memorials gets deleted, the photos remain on the one that is still there. (My comment in the caption for the remaing memorial about the two memorials being duplicates in then superfluous, but I don't think that's a big problem...People can easily infer that the other has been deleted when they are not able to access it by its memorial number.)

In this case, since the first Christina memorial already had a photo, I did not put one of my own up on that one; however, in response to your request, I did just go and put up my perspective shot of the plot.

I did see the note you put in the flowers section of Daryl's version of the memorial. But, Daryl manages 74,000 memorials that he has created so I doubt that he will act on your request in the flowers section. You may (or may not) have more luck submitting the request for deletion as an edit to the memorial.

As for the Find-a-Grave software allowing duplicate memorials, I don't know if there is an easy way to prevent this. Mt Hope Cemetery has ~300,000 burials (of which >78,000 have memorials), so exact duplicates of names that are really two different people (even dying in the exact same year sometimes!) are not that uncommon. Maybe what the software could do is issue a warning if it detects that your memorial ***might*** be a duplicate of one already there.

What I also commonly find is two memorials created where the names are different (e.g., slightly different spellings) but were in fact created for the same person. The most common sort of duplicate here at Mt Hope Cemetery is what you have found in this case, a duplicate between Daryl Verstreate (who created memorials from the Mt Hope Interment Records for essentially everyone who was recorded therein up to the year 1892) and Mt Hope NY (who created memorials, rather randomly as near as I can figure, mainly from this survey of surviving legible markers:

Added by Joel Shore on Jul 10, 2016 12:29 PM
RE: Jacob Sayler
You are welcome and thanks back at ya!

Added by Nynaeve on Jul 08, 2016 8:46 PM
RE: Seiler - 8850454
I would be happy to photograph all discoverable Seilers at Mount Hope if you'd like me to. There are about 20 of them, but many are doubles and some (I'm sure) are missing stones. Nonetheless, I'll see what can be found and shot, if you like
Added by halfstone on Jul 08, 2016 4:30 PM
Carol & Pete
RE: John Breneiser
you're welcome!
Added by Carol & Pete on Jul 05, 2016 7:49 PM
RE: Jacob Seiler
I posted pictures for the Seiler's in the plot. The headstone that was knocked over either fell over or was vandalized. Unfortunately, family would have to pay to have it repaired (believe it or not homeowner's insurance sometimes covers it) or, if the grave has a perpetual care endowment they will fix it eventually. I know about 6 months ago a group of young kids went through the cemetery and did about $100,000 worth of damage so they are still trying to get that corrected. Sadly, it is a city cemetery now and has a lot of foot traffic as a short cut from neighborhood to another and a lot of unsavory activity goes on there at night. Nonetheless, the headstone is intact, just knocked over.
Added by WingNut on Jul 01, 2016 10:32 AM
RE: Sailer
I added two more pictures showing the other sides to the memorial where William Sailer is buried. Two sides show no writing (which is interesting considering the one with the "Sailer" surname is otherwise blank).

Have a good one!
Added by DevonG on Jun 30, 2016 6:02 PM
carole taylor puntenney
Your 'flower' for Martin Auer, love it.
however, do you know if he is the Martin Auer who joined the 27th MO Mtd. Inf. age is good, and he moved to Saline just in time.. Also a brother?? John Auer also joined. plz. let me know if you think this might be the right Auer. 47890355
Added by carole taylor puntenney on Jun 27, 2016 5:35 PM
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