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Patricia Kinzie (#47370595)
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RE: William H Cubley
Getting ready to post death notice from Massena Observer, June 1898.
Added by silentarcher99 on May 25, 2014 2:37 PM
Peter Mc
RE: August and Aggy Ray
Glad I could be of help. No relation.
Added by Peter Mc on May 08, 2014 10:26 PM
Peter Mc
RE: August and Aggy Ray
Patricia, here's another contradiction for you. Although the gravestone says that Augustus Ray and his wife moved in 1809 to Monticello from Amenia in Dutchess County, they still showed up on the 1810 census in Amenia.

Added by Peter Mc on May 08, 2014 7:51 PM
Peter Mc
RE: August and Aggy Ray
Hi Pat. I think the obituary actually says March 27th, the printing is just blurred in that spot. If you enlarge the page you will see.
As far as the dates of death go, the church records could be wrong, the son being young as you say may have remembered the date incorrectly, or even the gravestone could have been made up wrong. (MY great grandfather's gravestone is in that cemetery and the birth year is off by 10 years.)
That cemetery was used by the Presbyterian church also. There are actually 2 parts to the cemetery. In the back is a very old section containing some of the oldest graves in the area. I have quite a few relatives buried in that cemetery, most went to the presbyterian church.

Added by Peter Mc on May 07, 2014 9:11 AM
Peter Mc
RE: August and Aggy Ray
Hi Patricia. Funny, I was just looking the Ray's findagrave memorials the other day.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I made a note on the memorials about the date discrepancy between the gravestone and the church records.
You may be interested in reading an obituary of their son Miles S. Ray, from an old issue of the Republican Watchman from 1900, which is available online. The obituary is in the 3rd column from the right, about half way down.
Added by Peter Mc on May 05, 2014 3:28 PM
The information that I added for William came from the obituary that I posted for his second wife, Minerva Dawson Cubley, also on Find A Grave.
Added by silentarcher99 on Jan 30, 2014 8:02 PM
Wm. Cubley
Not entirely sure where I gleaned the records from at this point in time but will research it further and let you know.
Added by silentarcher99 on Jan 30, 2014 7:41 PM
BTW: Dave Freeman has the completed headstone and will need some help in moving the large marble slab to Monroeville in the Spring or Summer of 2013.
Added by Smokey on Feb 08, 2013 3:11 PM
RE: Wm Brown Ide
The following data may be of some help in your research into President Wm B. Ide:

(1) FROM: Michael N. Landon
Consultation Services
Church History Library
RE: Evidence that William B. Ide was a Latter-day Saint.

Evidence that Ide was a Latter-day Saint, while not conclusive, is still compelling:
1.) He was a delegate to the convention nominating Joseph Smith as a candidate for the President of the United States.
2.) A possible validation of the assertion that William Ide was a member of the Church in the Kirtland, Ohio area in the late 1830s can be found in the following Journal History entry:
In his biography of his brother William, Simeon Ide noted that after a short stay in Canton, Kentucky, William "with his young family, (a wife and six children,) . . . removed to Madison, Montgomery Co., eight miles from Dayton, Ohio in 1834 . . ." and remained there until 1838. Simeon possibly was mistaken; the "Madison" referred to in this case is not near Dayton, but rather the township of Madison, Geauga County, Ohio, the same county in which Kirtland is situated.
Mark Staker's new work Hearken, O Ye People: The Historical Setting for Joseph Smith's Ohio Revelations includes a map listing Madison township about eighteen miles from Kirtland township. Staker noted, "Eighteen miles before reaching Kirtland, Joseph and his party passed through Madison
. . . ."

(2) The definitive works on the revolt is The Men of the Bear Flag Revolt and Their Heritage, by Barbara R. Warner, in which the author attempts to give the genealogy, history, and biographical sketch of all the major participants.
by Barbara R. Warner, Arthur H. Clark Publishing Co.

The Bear Flag Revolt & William B. Ide:
William Brown Ide, his wife Susan B., and their five children (4 other children had died) left Missouri on April 1, 1845. Ide had been an Elder in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was President of a Branch of the Church in Illinois. He had also served on the delegation at the convention to promote Joseph Smith, Jr. for candidacy for President of the United States in February of 1844. He helped drafted the platform for that convention. After Joseph Smith, Jr. was killed in June of 1844, William apparently decided to go west. In the Spring of 1845, the Ides were part of a wagon train, called the Grisby-Ide Wagon Train, bound for Oregon Territory. When the Ides reached Fort Hall (in present Idaho), they were convinced by Caleb Greenwood, an old mountain man, to go to California instead. Greenwood had guided the first wagon train to California in 1844. The Grigsby-Ide party was comprised of about 100 people. They arrived at Sutter's Fort on October 25, 1845. From there, Ide took his family and went to the Peter Lassen ranch, where they built a sawmill, and then on to the Thomes Ranch, near Red Bluff, where they built a cabin for the winter.
By June of 1845, rumors were still circulating of the Mexicans planning to drive out the "Americanos." In order to secure their land rights, Ide and about 30 American settlers, made up of men from the Grigsby-Ide party of settlers, mountain men and explorers, rode to the Mexican military garrison at the pueblo of Sonoma, north of San Francisco Bay.

(3) From the history blog with address given at first of this note:, 8:46 PM, January 04, 2012
"Anonymous " said...
My name is William B Ide and I am the great great grandson of William Brown Ide. My father was Bernard Alston Ide, his father was also named William B. Ide, and his father was Daniel Webster Ide, son of William Brown Ide.
Dave Freeman is the most accurate commentator I've read on my ancestor here and I'm pretty sure, although he was Mormon early in his life and did have direct dealings with Joseph Smith, that William Brown Ide did not practice Mormonism in his later life in California to my knowledge. None of my family I just mentioned were Mormon. James M. Ide did die in St George, Utah, and his middle name is Monroe, not Madison.
William Brown Ide owned 17,000 acres in Red Bluff, CA acquiring a Mexican land grant from Peter Lassen through John Sutter (Ide did well gold mining in late 1840's and early 1850's when he first arrived in California). This ranch was called Rancho De La Barranca Colorada, and my father Bernard Alston Ide, sold the last of it in the late 1950's when I was a small boy (not sure how many acres that was but I believe there we about 5,000 acres left). This Ide got none. William Brown Ide was buried in Monroeville cemetery, which is about 15 miles from Red Bluff, and was the town that he acted as judge, prosecutor, defense attorney, etc., a few of many official titles he held in California. The most famous was his role as President of California, leading the Bear Flag Revolt against Mexico, capturing General Vallejo, and imprisoning him in Sonoma, CA., where the settlers raised the Bear Flag and declared California an Independent Republic. This lasted about two months until General John C. Freemont was brought in by the United States to take over for William Brown Ide. It was then that William Brown Ide and his son Bill Ide took up arms and helped fight in the Mexican American War.
There is a California State Historical Park dedicated to William Brown Ide (I was actually married there as it is a really pretty piece of land right next to the Sacramento River). The property consists primarily of a log cabin that William Brown Ide never lived in but built for a ferryman as that location in the 1850's was a ferry crossing.
My father Bernard Alston Ide died when I was pretty young so most of my family history comes from memories of what was told to me by family members. My sister Ivy Ide lives in Kansas and she and I someday will get together and try and put down on paper everything that we can remember about our famous ancestors history and contributions to the State of California.
I've spoke many times to Dave Freeman and am very impressed with his dedication and efforts to memorialize William Brown Ide's accomplishments with a headstone in the Monroeville cemetery. For that I am very thankful as it seems appropriate that William Brown Ide be remembered for his contributions. It's funny that the city of Sonoma praises John C. Fremont's involvement in the Bear Flag Revolt but pretty much ignores my Great Great Grandfather with nothing really mentioned about his short lived Presidency.

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Added by Smokey on Feb 08, 2013 3:09 PM
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