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Glenn Koch (#47299676)
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Judy H
Zion Moselem Lutheran Church Cemetery
I have to tell you I love the postcard you added title Graves of Pioneer Dietrichs, Moselem Church, Berks Co, PA.

I've been documenting family recently and ran across it. Glad you uploaded the photo.

Added by Judy H on Feb 04, 2016 12:22 PM
Dustin Snyder
Ellen Snyder - FOUND!
Hi Glenn, I figured I'd let you know my good news.
After making a number of phone calls today I found someone with burial records for Saint John's Union Cemetery at Mickley's in Whitehall, PA.

I was looking for Ellen's husband, Francis, who I was 99% certain was there. The person I spoke with gave me his location and then started to list off a few others, including his wife Ellen and mother Sarah. I drove out and easily found them with a map and plot information. My missing links have been found! They now have entries here (157285057 and 157285160) linking them with the rest of their family.
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 20, 2016 5:34 PM
Dustin Snyder
RE: Ellen Snyder info
Huge thanks Glenn, that's really helpful. This seems to match the Ellen Snyder buried at Ebenezer. Unfortunately, she's not my great-great-grandmother.
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 19, 2016 12:28 AM
C. W. Everett
Complaints about the duplications
If I'm not mistaken, aren't you associated with the church and helped to write the history for the 250th anniversary celebration for Ebenezer United Church? If so, then would you be on the cemetery committee that is putting all the graves on the site to help the researchers find them? And you would then also be local to the immediate cemetery and not somewhere across the country?
Added by C. W. Everett on Jan 17, 2016 9:50 PM
Dustin Snyder
RE: Ellen S. Snyder
To further confuse matters, it seems there were two Francis Snyders, both born within a few years of each other, who both married women named Ellen Snyder, who were also born the same year as each other.

One is in the 1880 Census in Parryville, Carbon County, PA, the other is in the year's census but in Hanover, Lehigh County, PA.

I've been unable to locate her husband's (Francis Snyder - 1853 - 1913) grave, but his death certificate says its at Mickleys Cemetery in Whitehall. That's also where his father and children are buried (which I've confirmed).

After a long (but admittedly incomplete) walk around the cemetery I tried contacting the church to see if they had any records. They haven't gotten back to me yet.

I'll find them though.
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 05, 2016 12:59 AM
Dustin Snyder
RE: Ellen S. Snyder
Thank you for that information. She's been a bit of an enigma for a while.

All I've been able to find about her is that she was married to Francis Snyder and had 3 children. Her name appears as all 3 of their death certificates as "Ellen Miller" (her maiden name). There's a census record, I think from 1880 that has her as Ellen Snyder. Her last child was born in 1883. And in the 1900 Census her husband Francis is listed as "widowed".

I haven't been able to find a birth year, death year, death certificate, obituary or burial. Some of the Snyders and Schneiders before them are buried at Ebenezer, so when I found Ellen S. Snyder I thought she might be my missing link.

Sometimes I've suspected she may have changed her name. Though it seemed odd to me that her children who died in 1930, 1956 and 1962 all had her name on their birth certificate as "Ellen Miller" or "Ellen Miller Snyder". But its possible she was buried under her given name, and not her known name, if they were different.
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 05, 2016 12:29 AM
Dustin Snyder
Ellen S. Snyder
Since you know a lot about Ebenezer Cemetery, I wonder if you'd be able to help me.

There's a woman buried there named Ellen S. Snyder (1862 - 1900), Find A Grave #99790605

Do you have any information on her? I think she might be a great-grandmother of mine that I've been searching for, but I can't find anything about her.

I haven't been to Ebenezer yet, but I may drive up on Wednesday to see if I can find the grave marker. It'd be nice if it had her maiden name.

The Find A Grave entry here has her plot listed as: Section H7, Lot 195

I'm guessing that's the new cemetery? Any idea how the sections are arranged? Are they marked?

If I do drive up there, I have a few ancestors in the old cemetery as well, so I'll stop over there and snap a few photos for your Ebenezer OLD Cemetery listing.

Thanks for your help!
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 04, 2016 10:07 PM
Dustin Snyder
RE: Ebenezer Union Cemetery
Well one of the problems is that a lot of cemeteries around here (Pennsylvania) often are actually two cemeteries. I can see on Google Earth that there's a smaller, older cemetery on the same side of the road as the church. And then a larger and presumably newer one across the street. I've seen this at Salem Belleman's in Mohrsville and Saint John's UCC Mickleys in Whitehall.

Usually Find A Grave has them listed as the same cemetery. I agree with you that they should have separate listings to make it easier for people to find where they are. And there's plenty of room in the cemetery description to mention where it is or note that its 'the smaller cemetery'.

You can't really fault people for adding listings to the wrong cemetery when there was only one listing. I imagine most people didn't think to add a separate listing for the original, older cemetery.

So I imagine why these other people are upset because instead of using Submit A Correction requests for the memorials to be moved to the correct cemetery, you just added new ones.

Unfortunately Find A Grave doesn't make it easy to move a memorial to a different cemetery - at least not as easy as it is to submit other edits. It'll just take a while for people to figure out which are which and move them to the right one.

Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 04, 2016 9:57 PM
Dustin Snyder
Ebenezer Union Cemetery
I haven't been there yet myself, but it does kinda look like there's a second, smaller cemetery on the opposite side of the street. The same side as the church itself.

If the people you've added are in that one and not the larger cemetery, its probably a better idea to submit edit requests rather than add new entries. Many of the existing entries have photos and family links. Or perhaps request the maintainers make note that its in the older cemetery closer to the church.

I realize you didn't intend to, but you confused my research a bit when I came across multiple entries for the Schneiders and Kistlers in my family line.

Example: 10869617 and 156095237

Regardless, thank you for your time in inputting this information.
Added by Dustin Snyder on Jan 04, 2016 11:04 AM
Pat D.
duplicate cemetery at Ebenezer
Dear Glenn,
I fear to tell you that you have created a cemetery where one already has been catalogued into Findagrave.
Ebenezer Union Cemetery already has long had the graves you have recently added into your recently created cemetery for Ebenezer. And most of these also have extensive family connections with photos.
I am in the process of sending you notices of all the duplicates, and so far I am already up to 15, nearly every entry you have made.
I will continue sending these messages for duplicates till I hear from you, OK?
I think the only recourse will be for you to delete most of your work, and I am sorry to have to tell you this.

Thank you, Pat D.
Added by Pat D. on Dec 21, 2015 9:54 PM
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