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|Tamie Dehler||RE: Agnes W Young|
I did it.
|Tamie Dehler||RE: Agnes W Young|
You're welcome. What do you mean by connect them together? They are currently linked as spouses. Do you want her memorial transferred to you? I can do that.
I don't want to put my home address on this public board. I will try and find you on Ancestry...at least they keep it private. If I'm successful, I will email you thru it and put my home address on there. My Ancestry name is 14MAR. We can share back and forth on Ancestry if we allow one another to be "contributors". The "guest" feature is really a negative for one cannot download and attach photos and records, etc. It's a hinderance really.
Thanks. I may have run into your Ancestry tree already, and that's where I discovered that she later married Old Solomon Kilmer and got his pension, but I didn't know about the earlier marriage until I found the record you told me about in Coles County Ill. to John Askew. He must have died very young for her to turn around and remarry a year later to Carrigan, or something?
From the picture I'm seeing develop, The Collins were a very poor family...Stephen Collins, her father, was so much older than Ann and they had several children together. He had already raised one family or lost part of them I think. In any event, you can't do much with only 10 acres. John Belt is shown in 1897 as owning the entire 80 acres and by then Luke and Stephen have died. John Belt died in 1900.
There were alot of Collins families in and near Atlanta MO in the Jackson Twp but I do not think they were part of my family. I went to LaPlata's library last year and they showed me a Collin's ancestry file, but I really couldn't see any connection whatsoever. They were from Tennessee and came to the county much earlier.
Got to run. Later,
Linda - thanks so much for the information.
Added by LinLu on Jan 19, 2012 6:14 AM
|LinLu||RE: Clarcia Collins Carrigan Kilmer|
When did she marry John Eskew? After Luke's death? I haven't found that one yet. She must of maried him in between Luke and Solomon.
If you are an ancestry member, I can share my tree on what I have. I know her father was Stephen Collins who the censuses seem to show being born in Kentucky. But I may never know who her mother was.
How I arrived at this was I found a marriage record issued to her and Luke Carrigan in Henry County, Illinois, immediately above my gggrandparents' license, i.e. John Belt and Emilene Collins. Only a month apart in dates. They both married immigrants--Luke Carrigan an Irishman and John Belt an Italian. Now we can't say 100% she and Emilene are sisters and their father is Stephen Collins but here are the facts that seem to support this.
1. The three couples were residing as neighbors in both Weller, Henry County, IL in 1860, and in 1870 they all can be found in Macon County, MO living as neighbors. From a Sequicentennial of Macon Co. Mo., one of the Belts, writes in their history that John and Emilene came in 1865 by wagon. I can place Stephen Collins in Il up to 1865 then he too appears in Missouri.
2. I have a copy of a Jackson twp property owner's map from Macon Co. which shows John Belt owning 60 acres and L.C. (presumably Luke Carrigan) and S. Collins adjoining Belt's land with each owning 10 acres. A perfect squared off 80 acre piece of ground.
3. I found a marriage record for Stephen Collins m. a much younger woman named Ann Fenn in Henry Co. IL in 1850 (but no census) and an 1860 census for Stephen Colvin(mispelled) with several younger children (which would have been Ann's, the second wife). Their names matched the names of the older children in Macon Co. in 1870. I just found the Henry Co. record late last year, having looked several times for it in the past. It was a page prior to the Belts and Carrigans and the transcriber shows it Colvin or Calvin.
About the only thing I can find for Stephen's parents is a US Census for neighboring Knox County (to the south of Henry) in 1840 that shows a Stephen Collins, next to James Collins (about 20 years older) and a McSh??ee (illegible) a little younger than Stephen. I can't for sure if McSh??ee is McHendree Collins or not, but I have seen trees on the internet, not ancestry, which show a Stephen as the older son of a James Collins and Mary Polly Dooley. I can't connect them together positively however but if they had a Stephen, he would have been the same age within a year or two. All came from Kentucky according to the census.
What happened to Stephen's first family I don't know.
I feel Clarcia and Emilene were full sisters. Upon Emeline's death, about two years afterwards, her husband, John Belt married her younger half-sister and first child of Stephen and Ann Fenn, named Nancy Jane.
I have no family records, no one knew much about the Belts and Collins so I am 'winging' it. I've run into about 4 other researchers who have been looking seriously for years but we are all at a brick wall. That's why I jumped on your post as quickly as I saw it.
If I can help you further, let me know.
Added by LinLu on Jan 18, 2012 6:15 PM
|LinLu||Clarcia Collins Carrigan Kilmer|
Hello, I'm seeking information on this woman as I am pretty positive she is related to my GGGrandmother, Emilene Collins Belt who came from Henry County, Illinois abt 1865 to Macon County, MO.
Please respond, perhaps we have info to share with one another.
Added by LinLu on Jan 18, 2012 7:31 AM
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