|C. Hartzell (#46848468)|
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|Looking for graves of Anton Mueller (born 1808) and his wife, Magdalena (1805-1886), in either Peoria County or Champaign County, IL.|
Native of northern California, now living in a forgotten corner of Michigan that has the oldest, most fascinating graveyards I've ever seen.
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|Joseph & Connie||RE: AJ|
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|Joseph & Connie||RE: A.J.|
Thanks for the imput....however we now have confirmed census records, cemetery records, obits, and just recently living family members to confirm the following:
Abner J Sturm # 17937990
1st wife Elizabeth J "Eliza Nowl # 23076322
Christina # 23076316
James M # 23076547
2nd wife Harriet E Leason # 23076337
William # 23076371
Mary E # 50176200
Eliza # 10519962
Ella # 23013569
Grace # 23076335
Curtis # 26859157
Charles # 60256829
3rd wife Flora Mix # 23076331
Burt # 38972393
Bessie # 135405745
Wilbur # 6669335
*** 4th wife Lucy E Starbord # 49118780
Eunice F # 49118672 !!! with husband Amos
Maud # 34340324 ****
Was so pleased to find the last known wife and her daughters....spoke with granddaughter to confirm all I had found. Double check the #'s
typing as fast as I can to get this to you!
|Linda Goff||RE: AAH!|
Ok, which ancestor are you referring to...I'll look into it. I do not add my name to anyone's pictures intentionally....so please direct me to the individual and then I'll see what is up. Sounds like we may be related.
|Joseph & Connie||did it again|
continued...just spoke with a church secretary where Lucy E Sturm is buried...She was living with daughter at time of death Eunice F (Sturm) Hall. Checked Eunice in 1930 US Census and sure enough a Lizzie (sp) Stern is there. So yet another child for Abner J.
|Joseph & Connie||Sturm # 17937990|
|Joseph & Connie||17937990|
Sorry...forever hitting enter instead of tab...
Marriage to Abner J 26 Nov 1888 Lucy E Starbord; daughter of George & Eunice Starbord. "..move to Oklahoma in 1892.." The 1900 US Census shows Abner, Lucy, Hubert* (son) and Maud O (daughter) living in Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory (now OK)1910 US Census shows Abner, Lucy and Maude O (daughter) living in Washington Co., OK 1920 US Census shows Lucy Sturm (mother-in-law) living with Fred and Maude Anderson in El Paso Co., CO. Find A Grave # 34340324 1921 Maude died along with infant. Found Lucy E Sturm Find A Grave # 49118780 Mayes Co. is very close to Washington Co. where Abner and son Burt are buried. # 17937990 & # 38972393
Maude was born Mar 1890 after the 1888 marriage date. Still looking for records to indicate if other children were born to this union.
Tell me what you think...are we making head way in the effort to link all the children of Abner J and their individual mothers?
|Joseph & Connie||RE: # 17937990|
|Deir||Wilhelms and Ernsts|
All the descendants of Nick Wilhelm and Magdalena Mueller Wilhelm, and all the descendants of Albert Ernst and Teresia Mueller Ernst, are genetically related through their Mueller mothers, g.mothers, gg.mothers, etc., meaning Magdalena and Teresia. This is the part of the family history that has been lost.
Among these descendants of the two Mueller sisters, there are two "double" lines.
Peter Wilhelm happened to marry into the Mueller family as well, through his Ernst bride Mary Ann. Peter was not a Mueller, nor was his brother Nick Wilhelm. But, Peter's children, and Nick's children, both carrying the Wilhelm name, were "doubly" related through both their fathers (who were brothers) and their mothers (Magdalena Mueller Wilhelm was Mary Ann Ernst Wilhelm's blood aunt), sharing both Mueller and Wilhelm genes.
On a Wilhelm basis, the children were full first cousins, but very far apart in age, as Nick married 15 years before Peter.
On a Mueller basis, Magdalena's children were full first cousins to Mary Anne and the rest of her siblings, therefore Mary Anne and Peter Wilhelm's children were "1st cousins once removed" to Magdalena's children, and 2nd cousins to Magdalena's grandchildren.
Your ancestor Sophia married John Matthew Ernst, who like his sister Mary Anne was a full Mueller first cousin to all of Nick and Magdalena's children. Nick and Magdalena's firstborn, Anton, albeit 10 years older, knew his first cousin John Matthew very well. Anton's youngest Clara, and John Matthew's twins, were born the same year of 1897-98, and played together at Anton's farm near Mooney Cemetery. Anton's great grandchildren own the farm today. Clara and her Mueller twin 2nd cousins grew up, and Clara became close friends with Bessie, one of their wives. Clara's youngest and Bessie's only child were 3rd Mueller cousins. They remained lifelong friends. If your B/H could call my J/M this weekend, that would be good. To email me, see my Deir profile for the address.
Added by Deir on Sep 17, 2015 7:46 PM
You may have known John. John and I were good friends, and he was so instrumental in helping me "connect the dots" of the families.
Added by Deir on Sep 16, 2015 11:48 PM
|Deir||corection: Teresia's daughter was Mary Anne|
"So, it makes sense that Teresia named her firstborn daughter "Lena" after her mother."
Sorry, the above that I just wrote was in error. Albert and Teresia Ernst named their firstborn Mary Anne, perhaps after Albert's mother? Then that daughter Mary Anne and her husband Peter Wilhelm named their first daughter Marie Antoinette (which is curiously French, but then they were from Alsace). Mary Anne and Peter later named their second daughter Mary Magdalena (Lena). Peter's brother Nick and his wife Mary Magdalena Mueller also had a daughter named Lena.
To keep things clear, I did these pages for the Mueller ancestors: Johann Antonie Mueller and his wife Mary Margaret-Magdalene Weckerle. A French website lists Johann as "Jean Antoine", so one wonders whether their everyday names were French or German.
I gathered research from multiple sources, including your research regarding the Mueller family's specific ship and journey (thank you for that effort!).
It would be helpful if you would now link Teresia to her parents. No, I have not been able to find their burial sites. I know they lived in the vicinity of West Rome Rd. in the Mooney Settlement area. Thus they could be buried in Mooney Cemetery (unless they moved away).
Added by Deir on Sep 16, 2015 11:41 PM
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