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Jim Samples
RE: Maggie Williams Mankin
I changed this as per your request. Are you related to the Mankins.
Added by Jim Samples on May 16, 2015 9:05 AM
Cheryl Williams
RE: John Allen # 94468283
No I'm not upset, it's just that this other Allen family has been grafted onto the Grayson/Patrick VA Allens more than not and I have had to prove more times than not what I know is true. I have also researched the William Hunt Allen line and the yDNA on that line is Haplogroup I - ours is Haplogroup G. Also the paper trail from William Hunt Allen doesn't put us anywhere near where this John lived.

John & Carr were given their inheritance before William died. I believe they had 88 acres each on The Goodspur in Henry/Patrick VA. They squandered pretty much everything and that is why John was in prison in the 1850 census. Those 2 sons did not inherit anything at William's death because they had already gotten theirs.

They (father William) was in Surry NC before coming to the Goodspur and they had land dealings with a fellow named Scritchfield in Surry, in Patrick/Henry VA as well as another line of "our" Allens near Spartanburg SC. My line comes from another John born about 1769. I found Dr. Rex Allen, a Veterinarian, who had the original plat of John when he moved from VA to Gabriel's Creek in what is now Mars Hill NC, used to be Buncombe NC. The information that was passed down thru the family was that Gabriel Keith (who sold John the land) and John Allen had adjoining "Plantations" in Virginia. It took me about another year and a half to find the land, and sure enough, it touched at the corners. Mr. John Garrett from Montgomery VA helped to find, and map out the whole area, to find who the neighbors were.

The other John, who is about the same age, is more likely to be William's brother as they have the same naming patterns. I think my John is a cousin, maybe from the line of Richard Allen who we located in Chester SC. All 3 of these lines match DNA.

I'm just giving you a lot of info, aren't I? I guess I'm doing it to show you that it's not just a shot in the dark LOL. Anyway, I do not have any info on a Eunice, so it would be nice if we could find a yDNA donor of her line so we could prove the non-Allen occurrance if you know what I mean! What year was Eunice born?
Added by Cheryl Williams on Apr 24, 2014 7:15 PM
Cheryl Williams
John Allen # 94468283
Here is an article you might want to put on the Find-a-Grave site that is fairly accurate

John Allen, Sr., and Nancy Daniel

By Gracie Stover Golden

John Allen, Sr., son of William Allen, Jr., and Ann Stewart, was born about 1784 in North Carolina and died July 26, 1877, at the age of 93, in Wyoming County, West Virginia. He married Nancy Daniel, daughter of Nehemiah Daniel and Anna Lyon, on December 26, 1805, in Patrick County, Virginia. Nancy was born about 1786 and died December 25, 1877 in Wyoming County.

John and Nancy moved to Wyoming County about 1831 and built a cabin in the wilderness on Laurel Creek. John Allen, Sr., and his son John Allen, Jr., were not in Wyoming County in the 1850 census, but their wives, Nancy and Elizabeth, were. They were in Henrico County at the State Penitentiary listed as prisoners since 1849. They are listed on the list of prisoners and also listed in the Henrico County, Virginia, 1850 census. Their occupation is listed as shoemakers, and their crime was larceny.

In my database, I have a lot of children listed for John Allen, Sr., and Nancy. Some may be grandchildren or their middle names. Tracing the children is difficult because John did not name his children in his will. Following them in the census, they sometimes have grandchildren or even nephews and nieces living with them. In the Simm's Land Grant Index, the heirs at law are listed in Wyoming County Land Grants, Original Surveyors Book #2 on December 26th, 1857, as Nehemiah Allen, Ann Collins, Carr, Allen, Jane Gunnue, Hannah Blankenship, Harriett Burgess, Juliet Roach, Brittain, Allen, Emeree Blankenship, Kesiah Tiller, and John Allen. One of the witnesses to this was Reuben Blankenship, The children whose descendants ended up in Raleigh County are John, Jr., Jane, Carr, Hannah, and Emeree.

- Emeree Allen was born about 1828 in Logan County. She married Reuben Blankenship, son of Eli Blankenship, Sr., and Mary Smith. They had seven children.

- Hannah Allen was born about 1814 and died in 1887. She married Jesse Blankenship, son of Eli Blankenship, Sr., and Mary Smith. They had fifteen children.
Added by Cheryl Williams on Apr 24, 2014 2:54 PM
Cheryl Williams
RE: John Allen # 94468283
Well I have done tons of research into this family. My Grandmother was an Allen and we have went so far as to do join the Allen yDNA project.

I have everything to prove that this John's mother was Ann. His Grandmother or step-grandmother was an Agness but not Scales - it is a whole different set of Allens. William Sr and wife Agness were in Montgomery/Wythe/Carroll Co VA (same place, the lines just moved) up until Sr. sold his land to Jr in 1805 (Grayson, D.B. 2-155) and moved - maybe to Hawkins TN. This Agness's maiden name has not been proven to be Scales.

Another William Allen - William Hunt Allen was married to Agness Scales, but their marriage took place in 1777. This line of Allens is what we call the "Valentine" line, and the Allens who have participated in the yDNA project are not the same as the Allens of this John's line. This family of Allens lived nowhere near where John or his family lived.

I could go on and on, but it is important that the records we leave to the world be as accurate as we can. I only ask for the changes that I know are correct. If you need further documentation I will be glad to supply it.
Added by Cheryl Williams on Apr 24, 2014 2:32 PM
Cheryl Williams
John Allen # 94468283
John Allen was the son of William Allen and Annie (or Ann) who was thought to be a Stewart. See his death record. Can you please make this correction?
Added by Cheryl Williams on Apr 22, 2014 3:03 PM
Devin Houston
RE: Dock Lively Cemetery
I have been there on my visits to WV; very pretty cemetery. Have several of my mother's distant kin there. Sharing info is welcomed!

Added by Devin Houston on Jul 08, 2013 11:15 AM

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