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Dennis Hubscher (#47006361)
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Madeleine Isenberg
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Dennis are you a member of JewishGen? I wonder if you are member #84348.
please respond to my e-mail: madeleine.isenberg@gmail.com
Added by Madeleine Isenberg on Feb 17, 2016 10:18 AM
Madeleine Isenberg
RE: Illegitimacy
Hi Dennis,

Yes that was the very cemetery.

I was not implying that by any means that he was. Having read that whole description there were references to illegitimacy and I was responding in a general sense, because when we encounter that, it tends to be a shock, when it does not have to be.

Incidentally, while I cannot read the stone clearly, at the top curve, I see מיכל. I don't know if you know this either, but I came to learn that this does not necessarily mean a man's name was Michael. Michal often was paired with the name Yechiel, as in Yechiel Michal. So I'm sharing that for what that is worth also.

Best,
Madeleine
Added by Madeleine Isenberg on Feb 15, 2016 9:14 AM
Madeleine Isenberg
RE: Illegitimacy
Hi Dennis,
I looked at several hundred Jewish tombstones today, so I think it was a page of some of your ancestors. I thought my note would have picked it up. I believe the description indicated more than one marriage and some indication that the offspring might have been illegitimate. Otherwise, I have not read anything you have written. At least to the best of my memory.
Madeleine
Added by Madeleine Isenberg on Feb 14, 2016 11:27 PM
Madeleine Isenberg
Illegitimacy
Dennis,

Do not take the labels of illegitimacy too seriously. For various reasons, according to Jewish customs and marriages they would no doubt have been perfectly "kosher" unions. If they did not also have a civil marriage, which they may have avoided for various reasons, then the children were considered "unehelich" or illegitimate. Often, they then had to take the mother's family name.

Sometimes, if they were planning on emigrating, as an example, they had a civil ceremony several years after the Jewish marriage.

I confronted the same problems before, so I hope this helps.

Regards,
Madeleine Isenberg
Added by Madeleine Isenberg on Feb 14, 2016 5:17 PM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
Thank you sir, I will have to check that out!
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 12, 2016 2:02 AM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
I saw Clement's memorial and you have some great interesting information! Thank you! I have records of him having the same 3 daughters, plus a son, John H. Mattingly. John is in the 1850 and 1860 census along with the daughters.
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 11, 2016 4:34 PM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
Hello Dennis!
Clement Mattingly is buried in St. Francis Xavier cemetery in Compton. If you go in the cemetery on the right side entrance, it's kind of near the back to the right. The stone is legible and his dates are 1810-1867. His name is spelled with an "E" so it's Mattingley. I know there were variations through the years. My 90 year old cousin took me to his grave so I know that it's the right one. She was told by her grandfather and Clement was his grandfather.
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 11, 2016 3:32 PM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
Hello Dennis!

The photo of Joseph Walter Mattingly is he and his youngest son William Thomas. He is buried at Cheltenham.

John H. Mattingly 1836-1909 is the son of Clement Mattingly 1808-1867 and Elizabeth Ann Wheeler 1813-1842. I've been to Clement's grave.

Thank you so much for the transfers! Maybe I'll see you in one of the cemeteries in St. Mary's county and say hello!
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 10, 2016 3:47 PM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
Joseph Walter is my GG Grandfather. His parents are John H. Mattingly and Martha Ellen Raley. Joseph Benjamin was one of Joseph Walter's sons. His other sons are buried elsewhere. Of his 4 daughters, one of them is buried in the family plot at Sacred Heart. She is Martha Ellen Owens. (Her husband is also there; James Benjamin Owens). James Clyde Mattingly's parents are John Donnelly Mattingly and Mary Evalina Pope (her family owned Pope's creek). John Donnelly is one of Joseph Walter's brothers. James Clyde married one of Joseph Walter's daughters, Grace Catherine, so Grace and Clyde were 1st cousins. Clyde died young from throat cancer so Grace remarried and is buried in Charles Memorial Gardens.
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 09, 2016 4:11 PM
Michael Corcoran
RE: Memorial Transfer
Thanks Dennis!

My number is #47982331

The requested transfers are:

Find A Grave Memorial# 64595555
Find A Grave Memorial# 64595529
Find A Grave Memorial# 64595635
Find A Grave Memorial# 64595595
Find A Grave Memorial# 64599076
Added by Michael Corcoran on Feb 08, 2016 2:27 AM
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