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Cheryl Ayres (#46935923)
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Bio Photo Grave photos I have taken & any family photos I have shared you have my permission to copy.

**** PLEASE FOLLOW FINDAGRAVE GUIDELINES FOR TRANSFERS. ****
I have been burnt many times by a person here & there requesting 100's of memorials because they are remotely related & they are not directly related. This is why I changed & started following the guidelines for direct descendancy. Do you believe that these people will transfer them to their direct descendants? I don't think so, a direct descendant comes along & sees the memorial transferred to another, they won't even bother to request a transfer for they would think that the person who maintains the memorial is a direct descendant. I had one person tell me a horror story of his request for his father's memorial & was denied by a person who was related but remotely because they shared the same surname & this person was doing a one surname genealogy, this is what I would call hoarding & the same goes for relatives requesting a transfer for distant relatives. By only transferring to their direct descendants what better way can you connect to relatives you didn't know you had. A quote from findagrave guidelines "The goal is not to "own" every memorial of those to whom you are related. The ultimate goal should be to have meaningful, accurate memorials that honor those who have passed away, regardless of who created the memorial or who maintains it." I do bend the rules in special circumstances such as infants, relatives that did not marry or had no children or if someone is doing genealogy for a person who is a direct descendant, I also go beyond the 4 generation rule for direct descendancy. I am keeping my memorials in safe keeping until a direct descendant comes along to claim them. I am honoring them by keeping them safe for people who really care about them because they are their ancestor & not just a distant relative. I go way beyond just putting names & dates when creating memorials, I research & give more details then the simple gravestone has by adding maiden names, full birth & death dates, linking family, obituaries,biographies, etc. I too have relatives that I am not a direct descendant of but will gladly transfer them to their descendants when they come along. Please consider my point of view, there is a very good reason why I follow the guidelines. When I have had to decline a transfer I always have responded respectfully to the requester why I declined & my thinking on direct descendancy, they completely understand & commend me for my stand in this matter, of course their are a few who do not & have bullied me into transferring them by mean cruel ways, which is wrong. I respect the rights of others opinions,but you should also respect others points of views. I just wanted to let everyone know why I follow the guidelines. I do hope this gives others to be just a little bit more understanding of why the guidelines were put in place, after all the site originally was suppose to be virtual cemeteries & a source to find burial places for relatives & loved ones & not for maintaining their own family trees. I am a genealogist but do not use this site for my family tree, I have my own personal tree elsewhere where it belongs. I have shared my relatives on this site but as I said before I will transfer them to their descendants. It isn't about hoarding with me, it is about what is the right thing to do.


NOTE: MILITARY SERVICE will be added in the bio line of the memorials. I will not add rank to the name if they did not die in service to their country. All military gravestones when the person dies much later than there service does not have their rank in front of their name, it is after their name, therefore their rank will be in the bio line. I believe in memorializing their full life rather than the short time they served their country. They had lives other than serving their country & military service is but a small part of their lives but should be recognized for putting their lifes at risk to protect our country.

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Sorry about that and I knew better (just have 100's of entries - time to walk away from the computer for a few) - that is one thing BAD about Find A Grave it is not a two-way street when linking parents with children. I will contact the right person. The sames for linking spouses, under Edits when providing notice to link a spouse (the system is smart enough for those who think they must add the same link in the opposite spouse)the other 1/2 many times does not reverse link - perhaps a hole in the software (and I base this on rechecking upto 30 days later). Go figure.

John
Added by Johnny James on Aug 22, 2014 10:18 AM
Keith
Botcher spouse link
It was not a computer glitch. I received incorrect information. I found the original request from Dec. 10, 2013:

Greetings,

Find A Grave contributor Salvarsan has made a suggestion to you regarding your
Find A Grave memorial for Hazel Botcher.
Link to memorial: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103137247
Link to contributor profile: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47181938
Email address of contributor: XXXXXXXXXXXX

Their suggestion:
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Please link to second husband: Joseph Greenheck #118113722
Added by Keith on Aug 19, 2014 11:14 PM
Keith
Botcher spouse link
I deleted the link. Most likely a computer glitch.
Added by Keith on Aug 19, 2014 10:42 PM
Johnny James
Reference to Lelah Pauls
Thanks for the partial correction. Before I respond to what you emailed me, lets start over.

Lelah's original posting had listed as her spouses (2) both women, Kathryn Greenheck and Hazel. J. Botcher. Now today that could happen but not in those days. There should have been a male and that was the correction I suggested - she had married Joseph M. Greenheck (and no I did not know there was 2 Joseph M.'s in the area - if that is true.) Per our records (scribbles)it would be the Joe around Lelah's age.) But if you Google Richland County history then click on the cemetery record posted it tells she married Joe.
Now if you look at Find A Grave for Joe and look at his marker it showed he was a PFC/PVT in WW and then you look at Kathyran's Find A Grave marker at the Central Wisconsin Veterans cemetery in King, WI you will see on the marker "wife of Joseph Greenheck, PVT".
The only way she could be buried there is being a spouse of a military person. I suspect this is where he is buried - not as you stated with Lelah. Though no one photoed for Find A Grave his marker, I bet if I went there (living within 25 miles at present)I could photo and send an Edit to you (PS I do not want a transfer as I am not that close even though cousins away on both sides). I don't have anything else about who this Katharyn was.

But that is not unusual for a military man buy a plot for a relative and being buried somewhere else as I have found that a many, many times when building trees of pioneers and relatives.

Now part 2 - Keith originated the Find A Grave for Hazel J. Botcher and if you go the Find A Grave for her you will find a female and a male spouse - which was not par for that period of time. Again if you go to the Richland County Historical website and serch the cemetery you will find elsewise. (PS: also check the Richland County Observer for cross-connection too) FYI - Greenhecks are genrally split from near RC to Bear Valley and Spring Green when they originated in this state. As generations came some moved on but most stayed in area. There were 2 basic families - unless you have personal data - you can not link them together but they are related way back.

So close, one must remove Hazel as a spouse and on Hazel must remove Lelah as a spouse. Some how/way Kathryn has to be corrected too (again I will try to work with the people at the Vet's home in King as to what they may have on record. Not sure the Veteran's Museum in Madison would be f any help.

Added by Johnny James on Aug 19, 2014 8:34 PM
Carrie and Allen
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Thanks so much for the transfer, I really appreciate it!
Added by Carrie and Allen on Aug 19, 2014 9:03 AM
Johnny James
Error in Lelah I Pauls
Reference: Richland Center Cemetery, Richland Center, WI OBIT

While doing research on family tree of relation that links to this person, I have found a couple errors that appear to be Calculated Connections.

Lelah (in this case appears to be a male BUT actually it is a female name)spouse is listed as Kathyran B. Greenheck. Lelah's marker/stone is listed as Lelah I Greenheck - meaning if "person" wasa male "he" cahnged his last name from Pauls to Greenheck. Meantime, Kathryan (click on) links to being buried at the Wis Central Veterans Cemetery in King (near Waupaca, WI). Being related via marriage we can not understand why she is buried there as she was not in service. Looking at her gravestone it says she was wife of PFC Joseph Greenheck. (checking Find-a-Grave and Richland County Death Records she died 13 years before Joseph did - so one can rule out she dying first and since he was a veteran anticipating he being being buried there as well. However he is buried in St. Kiliens in Richland County as Joseph Mathias Greenheck and listed there as PVT.

I am related to both Pauls and Greenheck from one on my dads side the other on my mom's. The error lies that Lelah is not the husband to Kathyran but rather perhaps sisters or cousins as the birth dates are 1 year or less apart. Lelah Pauls does not appear in our lineage either.

As a contributor myself, can you verify how this was linked (cemetery records, church records, or was it calculated somehow)?

Thank you.

JohnWalker93@inbox.com
Added by Johnny James on Aug 18, 2014 6:49 PM
Deborah Chateauvert
RE: Re: Lucille Klekoski
Thanks again.
Added by Deborah Chateauvert on Aug 18, 2014 4:31 PM
Deborah Chateauvert
RE: Re: Ivan Klekoski
Yes and I thank you.
Added by Deborah Chateauvert on Aug 18, 2014 4:11 PM
Deborah Chateauvert
RE: Re: Marion Bowell Glower/Klekoski
Thanks. Doris Klekoski is Marion's daughter and she is where I got most of my information.
Added by Deborah Chateauvert on Aug 18, 2014 4:04 PM
Deborah Chateauvert
RE: Re: Updates
Thanks for the clarification. Doris is the only one of the children alive. She and I have worked on our family history together. Her sons are not interested in family history. But thank you anyway.
Debbie
Added by Deborah Chateauvert on Aug 18, 2014 11:31 AM
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