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Fred Saar (#46511066)
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Mainly located in Ulster and Columbia Counties in New York.

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Don Blauvelt
Lothrop-Lathrop reference
Find A Grave contributor Fred Saar has made a suggestion to you regarding your Find A Grave memorial for John Lothrop.
Link to memorial: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46890514
Link to contributor profile: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=46511066

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duplicate of prior memorial 25353379
Added by Don Blauvelt on Jul 24, 2016 10:44 PM
Don Blauvelt
John Lothrop-John Lathrop
Hello,

Yes, there is a duplicate memorial for Capt. John Lothrop, and it is intentional due to the maintainer of the earlier memorial refusing to correct the surname from Lathrop to Lothrop, using the crutch that the surname is spelled Lathrop on the gravestone.

The immigrant Rev. John Lothrop of Barnstable, Mass. is the Lothrop family patriarch. The memorial library at Barnstable is named Lothrop, the main cemetery in Barnstable is named Lothrop Hill, and the 1884 genealogy of the family is called the "Lo-Lathrop" family, not the "La-Lothrop" family.

Rev. John Lothrop was twice married and had six sons. His 2nd son Samuel, by the Rev.'s 1st wife, relocated in 1648 to New London, Connecticut and eventually to Norwich, Conn. Late in life Samuel's great great grandson, Dr. David Lothrop (Thomas, Samuel, Samuel Rev. John), became convinced the original spelling of the family name was Lathrop, and convinced everyone else in the Samuel Lothrop branch to adopt the spelling Lathrop. Prior to this conversion, Dr. David's, as well as all of the then living and previous generations of the Norwich family, are recorded by the surname of Lothrop in vital records, church records, deeds, probate records, etc. However, by 1800 the Samuel Lothrop line began adopting the surname of Lathrop. Because Samuel got a head start in family creation and there was a preponderance of sons in the resulting generations, those surnamed Lathrop now represent the largest number of the descendants of Rev. John Lothrop.

On the other hand, the branches of the five other Lothrop sons whose descendants remained for several generations in greater Barnstable, Mass. never changed the family surname to Lathrop. When several of the male Barnstable lines began migrated to Connecticut in the 1700s, their vital records, deeds, church records, probate records, etc. are by the surname of Lothrop. And, those lines resided in Connecticut other than in the immediate vicinity of Norwich.

Regardless of what Connecticut town it pertained to, Louis Barbour in his Connecticut Vital records alphabetized the surname of Lothrop in his headings as "Lathrop, Lothrop." People referring solely to those vital records have renamed the separate "Lothrop" surnamed branches of the family as "Lathrop." This directly impacts the context of which branch the numerous lines of the family came from, as well as the surname of the daughters at marriage.

Expediency has no place in serious genealogy study or in Find-a-grave memorials.

Regards,
Don Blauvelt
Added by Don Blauvelt on Jul 20, 2016 8:12 AM
Ken Deiss
Clarence P Walter Transfer
Thanks Appreciated Ken Deiss
Added by Ken Deiss on Jul 13, 2016 5:43 AM
Marianne Mangels
GOULDING family: William R.
Looking for clarification help - I thought her name was Nancy per the Loring books b.10 Dec 1809 m.3 Jan 1826 William R. Goulding who d.Washington DC on 11 May 1865. They had 3 children: Caroline b.7 Aug 1843, Alice GOULDING d.1852, William Goulding, Jr. who, allegedly lived in Australia aft 1853???
Thank you.
Marianne Mangels
m.mangels5617@gmail.com
Added by Marianne Mangels on May 30, 2016 12:17 PM
Laura
RE: Paul Adams.
I've contacted several of the cemeteries that they have stones in, but NONE of them have any record of them being buried there. I asked Why would they have stones there if they aren't buried there? No one knows! I also asked "Would there be any paperwork if they just had stones placed there as cenotaphs" and every place has answered YES, they should have paperwork, even for just a stone. So I'm totally baffled. One place was going to check and see if there was a stone there. He said it was POURING down rain at the time and he would call me back today. I'll let you know what I find out!
Added by Laura on May 23, 2016 8:15 AM
Laura
RE: Paul Adams.
LOL! Of the space kind or the border kind?!
One stone (in Brevard) has a different YOD for Betty. It's listed as 1995, but everything else is identical!
Added by Laura on May 19, 2016 9:57 AM
Laura
RE: Paul Adams.
OMG, you are NOT going to believe this....this couple are listed in 6 different cemeteries. 5 in Florida and one in Houston Texas!!

The Florida ones are:
Florida Memorial...108367724
Serenity Gardens...116824846 116824509
Brevard............35139886 35139885
Chapel Hill........97838698
Meadowlawn.........29485162 29485145

And the one in Texas is:
Forest Park Westheimer...75845211

What in the world?!! These people got around!
Added by Laura on May 19, 2016 9:40 AM
Laura
RE: Paul Adams.
It is strange!
Added by Laura on May 19, 2016 6:42 AM
Laura
RE: Paul Adams.
Did they have two different stones at Florida Memorial Gardens? It was weird that the stones were the exact opposite of each other, one had Paul on the left and the stone in the other cemetery had Paul on the right.
Added by Laura on May 18, 2016 6:28 AM
D. Ketcham M.
Mem. No. 39578420
I was contacting you about John Whitman (b. 2-8-1790, d. 8-23-1816 buried at Oakwood. I have some additional information I'd like to share if you are interested. John Whitman is my 3 great-grandfather.

Dwight 49000076
Added by D. Ketcham M. on May 13, 2016 9:50 AM
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