I tried to fulfill your photo request from 2013 for Matthew and Mary Dupcavage. The cemetery has no record for this name. Do you have any further info I could refer to that might help? I live about 50 miles from this cemetery but I also have family interred there so I go there periodically and noticed your request was made back in 2013 and thought I could be of help. If you can supply any further information I'll see what I can do to help you.
RE: John Thomas Clifton Bob, I actually researched all of John Thomas Clifton's first family, not several generations but I did manage to get the immediate family of each child. This family has been quite a labor for me. When I started this all I had was a marriage record for Abigail and John in WV, which had a bunch of info on it that wasn't quite right. His death was not reported, we have a date of death from his burial record. Her death was reported but she was listed as A.R.Clifton and a man lol. There wasn't any online census records etc when I started so it took me two years to find her first husbands name (which is my line). I got that thanks to a lookup volunteer in England because the World Wide Web did at least have "genealogy boards" at that time. The ship records weren't online, they were still indexed and in New York or Washington DC or some such nonsense. I remember finding that ship record back in 2003 or so and I was so stoked! All of the family here thought Abigail came to America with her first husband and finding that record changed every bit of our research. I am so thankful for Ancestry.com and Rootsweb. There is quite a few Clifton researchers here from his second family if you are interested. I share DNA with a couple of Abigail's descendant's, both of them are from the Clifton line. Do you participate in any of the DNA sites? I tried to find living relatives for his first family for a few years but only two of them responded, Elizabeth was one of them. I was really hoping to find someone willing to share DNA from the first family to try and prove one way or another whether Hannah was John Clifton's or John Larter's. Anyway, if you would like to try and meet some of the other Clifton's let me know. Kristie
RE: John Thomas Clifton By the way Bob, I added his photo to my find-a-grave page for him :-) Along with the ship record. Most of what I have is on my ancestry page. I don't have all the various family stories posted though. http://person.ancestry.com/tree/1473096/person/-1936733246/facts
RE: John Thomas Clifton Bob, I am a descendant of his 2nd wife Abigail Garrett Larter Clifton. Her 1st husband John Larter just disappeared into thin air as well. Probably the way you felt about John T. Clifton. John Larter came here in 1851, not long after the census was taken. We have never been able to find anything else for him. We have all sorts of wild family stories for these people and as I dug further I could see why. They were probably keeping quite a few secrets. The stories say he was drowned at Brooklyn Navy Yard (how many family members can drown in these stories?). I would say that at least one of these drowning stories is probably true. It is really weird that John Thomas Clifton and Abigail arrived in New York in 1852. According to the immigration record they were bound for Ohio. They supposedly traveled across Lake Erie on the Louis B. Sutton. I don't know anything else about them until they married in West Virginia in 1856. Why take so long to marry?? Why did John Thomas Clifton come here with her at all if they didn't intend to marry right away? They had at least 2, possibly 3 girls (the oldest of their daughters may be a daughter of the first husband, hoping for DNA in the future). They adopted a boy in the 1870's. Her family supposedly posted ads in the New York Times when her parents died because they left her a legacy but they never found her. Another Garrett researcher found a note in the family bible about her parent's disappointment in her marriage and the assunotion that she must have been lost as sea. I have pictures of them and they are a pretty scary looking couple. He reminds me of the preacher on the original movie "Poltergeist". Apparently, he was an excellent fiddle player and everyone loved to hear him play. They are buried about 4 miles from my house in Spring Hill Cemetery, although they don't have headstones. Even though I don't descend through him I always like to get my entire family group as complete as possible. I descend through Royal Jethro Larter, son of John Larter and Abigail Garrett. Which child do you descend through? Kristie
RE: John Thomas Clifton Hello Bob, I don't know what "official documents" I can give you. Just normal genealogy records. I have spent 21 years researching this family and they weren't easy to track down before the digital age. I have his Christening, his marriage to Mary Ann Fryer in 1824, he is in the 1841, and 1851 Norfolk England census. His father-in-law Thomas Fryer, left property to his daughter Mary Clifton when he died in 1849 with the condition that it was to be separate from her husband and free from John Thomas Clifton's debts or use. So the marriage looks pretty bad from that perspective. The ship record in 1852 clearly shows he traveled to America with Abigail Larter and her children, who did not share his last name. His wife in England began referring to herself as "widowed" at some point. They did not divorce because divorce was very hard to get in England and only the most wealthy people could afford to get one. He and Abigail were both Methodist's, his father John Thomas Clifton converted to Methodist from Presbyterian in 1792. The records in West Virginia are terrible. Their marriage record lists his father as J.T. (John Thomas) but gives his mother's name as Hannah (which was Abigail's mother's name). Her father is listed as Rolen (Royal) and there is no mother's name. I'm guessing that their accent was really thick and hard to understand. Later family stories tell of them being very religious and very secretive. There isn't much more to offer except that family stories handed down say that the family that they left behind in England assumed they had drowned on the journey here or maybe the family back in England made it up because they were ashamed. Another family story say's that Abigail's parents didn't approve of her husband, no one ever said which husband. Either way, John Thomas Clifton did leave his family behind in England, so did Abigail. None of them ever heard from them again. Kristie
RE: Mary Morris Libbis Bob I have been travelling this summer and saw your message only just now. Mary is the maternal grandmother of the husband of my 2nd great grand aunt. I don't usually add connections as distant as this, but I was fascinated by the Russian connections of her daughter Georgiana. Her daughter Clarinda married Robert Clifton, my 5th great grand uncle, and her daughter Elizabeth married Charles Naunton, whose son Libbis Naunton married Sarah Beck, my 2nd great aunt - so the families are somewhat intertwined.
I share your concern about accurate information (as a former archivist!) and I would be very happy to receive your advice. Living in Spain, I have to rely on the internet for genealogical information, which is not always easy to confirm.