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history4sure (#46997739)
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"When God sends forth a special living soul to learn the ways of the earth, an earthly mother's love is waiting; we call this wonder birth. When God calls home a loving earthly soul and stills a fleeting breath, a Heavenly Father's love is waiting; this too is birth, not death."

I am willing to transfer any memorials which are not my ancestors or relatives and will try to help anyone with information or research. I think it is important to identify persons, when possible, so we can know who they are and who their families are, for historical and personal reasons.
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Sixty seven years ago I started looking for lost graves as Grandma sent me, at age 8, to find "the indention by the pine tree, near great great grandpa's headstone" so she could place flowers where a baby was buried in 1869 with no "marker". From her, I learned to look for that tiny "frosted" spot when the night before had been chilly (the ground is still warmer at a burial site which has no vault, even after 100's of years!)
I first knew grief when Grandma died, 60 years ago. To honor her, I began genealogy research from her precious family records. Fifty five years ago the death of my young first husband, at the hands of robbers, nearly caused the loss of my first unborn child. Years later, a miscarriage took another son and now, for the past 31 years, we have also grieved for our youngest son, lost to a freak accident. Brad
Writing personal histories has been a passion for over 40 years, since I found my relationship to Mormon Battalion soldiers and an early U.S. President.
Being an unpaid cemetery sexton for the past 25 years has required mapping and recording (handwritten) of over 3,000 birth & death locations and overseeing burials and settings of gravestones for some 950 persons. During this time, the birth and death records from 1854 at one cemetery and from 1869 to date, at another, were located and recorded; exact grave locations had never been written down for 155 years! I'm still hand drawing family lot maps for the latter cemetery for all owners.
For over 30 years, I have composed poetry and short stories about loved ones' passing, both for my own and others.
So, am I a "graver" ?, a "griever", a "genealogist", a "historian", a "sexton", a "poet" or just kind of "nutty"?? (We ALL could have, instead of this, been lounging on "sum beach sum where", ya know!)
Anyway, I feel sad when an unkind remark is posted, or it is stated that Find a Grave was designed for one purpose and that "newcomers", who want to use it for genealogy, or some other reason than it was originally intended, should go elsewhere. I hope it is intended to help us all find burial locations, which should include photos, dates, and family links, if possible for proper identification.
Short bios also help identify specific individuals and search data sources can help us verify the positive location. That is why I believe that a gravestone, with poor or misinterpreted information, should be supplemented with the best historical facts available, if possible. After all, it is Find a Grave, not "Find a Stone". Sometimes, nothing else is available, but that is a sad case; unknown, with unknown dates does not tell us much, especially when there is no stone or it is illegible.
I hope to help & will gladly transfer, edit, delete or correct anything I contribute; I'm slow, but I'm OLD, please have patience!


Suprise! Thanks so much to Renee for the Sponsorship of Our Sweet Rose...what an honor to be cared for by such a dedicated animal lover.

I am grateful AGAIN to Love Always, Renee for the sponsorship of my beloved Daddy - what a generous contributor she is...check out her loving memorials!


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Sorry, I have to laugh.... recently seen on a gravestone, (wife's, Jo Ann's stone) "DO NOT STAND AT MY GRAVE AND CRY, I AM NOT HERE, I DID NOT DIE" ...alongside on the husband's stone, "JO ANN - IF WE DID NOT DIE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?".... [ I SAID I'm sorry! ]
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Kim S.
RE: message
It's a great tip! Thanks! 😎
Added by Kim S. on Aug 25, 2016 8:49 AM
Kim S.
Oh, of course! My Abafo memorial! Silly me...
Added by Kim S. on Aug 25, 2016 12:39 AM
Kim S.
RE: message?
Hi Shirleen,

What is "Abafo"?
I don't know how to find that message. ???

Can you write to me at ksorbello at hot mail dot com?
Added by Kim S. on Aug 25, 2016 12:22 AM
Kim S.
Ezekiel and Fanny James
Hi, thanks so very much for finding the source of Ezekiel's and Fanny James's marriage! I had previously posted the info, but not the source, (and I didn't post the day for some reason) but I believe I did find it in that book last century :) in the days of libraries, microfiche, dusty books and pencils. But I am so grateful for your coming up with a source! I have credited you in the bio.

Thank you so much for taking the time to look up this source.

Still looking to verify Ezekiel's parents!
Kim S.
Added by Kim S. on Aug 24, 2016 11:51 PM
Anne Cady
RE: Waddington vs Madrid
I don't think you understood my last message. I agree its not "original St. Mary's". I'm saying its "Old St. Mary's" which was the 2nd cemetery (Original St. Mary's, then Old St. Mary's, then New St. Mary's). Old St. Mary's was established in the 1830's. Its also the one that is 1 1/2 miles from St. Lawrence River and located on the NOrfolk Road which is exactly where the document you have said the farm was. I agree with you that it is not the same as the Original (1820) cemetery.
Added by Anne Cady on Aug 24, 2016 8:55 PM
Anne Cady
RE: Waddington vs Madrid
That description is really interesting. 1 1/2 miles from the St. Lawrence River on the Norfolk road is definitely in the part of Madrid that became Waddington. In fact, its an exact description of the location of "Old St. Mary's" cemetery, which was established in the 1830's. "Original St. Mary's" is much further down the road (maybe 4 miles) as that is where the church was back in the 1810-1825 time frame. There are many Dalton's buried in Old St. Mary's. I don't have death dates for some of the markers, but they go back quite a ways (at least 1850's). There are other markers there that go back to folks who died in the 1829-1832 time frame, which might be too early....however, it was common back then to move people off farms to established cemeteries. My ancestor who died in 1817 was moved about 10 years after he died when the community established a formal cemetery.

You might want to check out the location of Old St. Mary's and see what you think. The road its on was called Norfolk road back in that time frame based on old historical records. 1 1/2 miles is just about exactly the distance Old St. Mary's is from the St. Lawrence river.

By the way, the current location of Madrid is about 10 miles or more from the St. Lawrence river. The part of Madrid closer to the St. Lawrence river is what was broken off in 1839 to become Waddington.
Added by Anne Cady on Aug 24, 2016 5:20 PM
Jim Laudie
Waddington - St Marys Original

Thanks for the info. So I'm curious about where the reference to being buried on the farm comes from. I follow the logic on Mathew likely recording the Catholic cemetery as opposed to being buried on the farm. But also wondering if the cemetery was possibly on the farm (or very near it) at that time?

I've got a map I can email you (just need your address) that shows the location of the Raymond Dalton Farm (with Original St Mary's behind) and the approximate area of the original farm. It's about 4 miles by the current road, but 1.6 miles straight line walking across the fields. Original farm was supposedly out on Irish Settlement Rd.

Other family records have indicated her burial as in that original St Mary's by the current Raymond Dalton farm. Go figure. Would be nice if there were a stone that was readable today. Let me know if you have anything further on that.

Added by Jim Laudie on Aug 24, 2016 4:51 PM
Anne Cady
Waddington vs Madrid
Forgot to mention that Waddington NY was formed in 1859 from the township of Madrid. So at the time Mary Dalton was buried, there was no Waddington and that whole area was Madrid. I do know that Mary's daughter-in-law Bridget (who died young) is buried in the Original Catholic Cemetery behind the farm in what is now Waddington, but I did not find any indication of a marker for Mary...but there were unreadable stones in the cemetery.
Added by Anne Cady on Aug 21, 2016 6:44 PM
Anne Cady
Mary McGovern Dalton - Cemetery
Jim contacted me since I have photographed the Original Catholic Cemetery in Waddington. It is behind a farm on the very far edge of Waddington on the border with Madrid. I do believe its the same as the cemetery you created. I'll have to see if I still have a picture of the sign that is on the road in front of the farm that gives the history. It was one of the earliest cemeteries in the county and became the earliest Catholic cemetery in the area. When St. Mary's got firmly established in Waddington they built a new cemetery (now known as Old St. Mary's, quite a few miles away just on the outskirts of the village, and then when that one filled they built the most recent version a few blocks over next to Brookside cemetery.
Added by Anne Cady on Aug 21, 2016 6:36 PM
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