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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 90,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am tired of feeling used by memorial managers who don't do their own research. I no longer send edit updates to 1) FAG memorial owners who require people to get permission to use their photos. If my data is freely given, so should photos. 2) FAG memorials who strictly follow the FAG transfer rules. People who do not research their own memorials don't transfer - just take and I don't support this. 3) FAG memorials with owners who remove the ability of people to make comments on the comment page. If so many people write nasty comments that comments are disabled, it raises flags about the memorial owner

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from USA; International;;;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If hints show a father for Susan as Tom know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 21398896
Regarding the photo of mine you question, YES!
Added by BIRDMAN on Sep 04, 2015 10:24 PM
John & Dolores Chase
Burial of Orson W. Close
The Burial of Orson W. Close is in Lake View Cemetery , Interlaken, Seneca County, New York, USA, Plot: 172 not Grove Cemetery, Trumansburg J&D
Added by John & Dolores Chase on Sep 03, 2015 11:33 AM
Linda Smith
FAG Request for Elizabeth Wortelboer
I have posted a picture of Elizabeth's tombstone but the year of her death is 1986....different than what you have. Please advise if this is the wrong tombstone. Thank You
Added by Linda Smith on Aug 31, 2015 12:57 PM
Linda Smith
FAG Request for John Blake
Hello, I'm not sure if this is the right John Blake or not. Cemetery records show John being buried in Muskegon, MI at the Sunrise Memorial Gardens in the Garden of Nativity Plot 0028 Grave A-1. This was the only John Blake (Thelma Blake)there, along with a Catherine VanWyk Blake 1938-1995. The dates are different but I posted the picture anyway....I will delete it if it is wrong. Please advise. Thanks
Added by Linda Smith on Aug 31, 2015 12:38 PM
Edward Berger - Hollywood Forever
I am planning a photo trip to this cemetery soon. If you call the cemetery and find out the exact location of the gravesite, I will try to find him. This cemetery is too big to find someone without the Section #, Row # and Space #. Thanks!
Added by Trickykid1 on Aug 28, 2015 6:19 PM
RE: Memorial transfer Question
Hello MWarner,

You were asking me about my transfer policies. I transfer family members and friends. I donít transfer memorials that someone wants for the surnames.

Added by Michael on Aug 27, 2015 2:42 PM
claire a
Allen Shea

Hello, you wrote in regards to a transfer to me.. Allen Shea, 135972361
Are you related to Allen Shea?

Yes, I am, my uncle, Thank you, Claire
Added by claire a on Aug 20, 2015 1:56 PM
Don Atwell
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 50219102
Added by Don Atwell on Aug 19, 2015 11:59 AM
Find a Grave Photo Requests
As part of my Eagle Scout Project I am fulfilling photo requests around Northern Virginia. I would like to fulfill your photo request for the person you listed for National Memorial Park, but I've already asked them to look up the locations of many people there. If you would be willing to call the cemetery (703-560-4400) and ask for the plot information on your request and relay that information to me today, Wednesday, or Thursday, we will go fulfill your request this Friday.

Joel Galloway
Added by JBG on Aug 18, 2015 1:06 PM
Carolyn Troupe Stoll
Earnest E. LaFave
Isee you made a memorial for him. He was married
to Mary Jane, my 1st cousin 1xrem. Earnest memorial
# 111535201 Sand Lake Cemetery. Can you find out
if his wife has passed and buried next to him?
I would really appreciate it.
I also have been working on all my families and
liked your suggestions.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Carolyn 47697510
Added by Carolyn Troupe Stoll on Aug 12, 2015 2:00 PM
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