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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the McLean, Radel, Udell, Sayles, Madson, Decker, Quick, Handy, Woodring, Andersons ...too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify the relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry on-line subscriptions from USA, International,, 3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on an excel spreadsheet as might have to contact them again on another ancestor) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG so it would be on the internet. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I poured over free on-line ancestry by surname books and purchased many books on families when I could find them.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I poured over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I sent thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo or take it on as a history project and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked. I also purchased ancestry books on-line - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2014 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 67,900 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all the family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends ....but so rewarding when the family ancestry members finally fit together.

TIP 1: Buy a death certificate - it tells you where the person is buried (or cremated) & verifies parents. Sometimes this is the only way. Buy from the COUNTY - not from the state and NEVER buy on-line (way too expensive). Google county person died in and death certificate. Ex: Kent County Michigan death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving the last name blank on women whose maiden names are unknown. ALWAYS put the husband's surname...BUT ..make it small letters. Example. If Susan is married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until you find her maiden name. When hints show a father for Susan as Tom automatically know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means that is her husband's last name. Having jones as her last name helps the computer match to the correct Susan instead of leaving the last name blank and getting tons of different last names.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) and the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) and the name of my mother's parents - that is it. I never met my dad's father and didn't even know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

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Janice Hollandsworth
Theodore Galat
Galat, Theodore
Date of Interment: 12/20/2004
Cemetery: Mt. Olivet Cemetery
Location: Section 23, Lot 168, Space 2
Added by Janice Hollandsworth on Oct 20, 2014 1:00 PM
B. C. B. : :=)
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 97418438
I have done as you suggested. I evan had the personal photo put on both. They seamed to appreciate the information.
I have found that the war graves records are useful in obtaining information about soldiers.

I have also created a memorial for a soldier that had two other memorials, one out west and one in England.
Added by B. C. B. : :=) on Oct 18, 2014 7:13 AM
Conrad Adrian
this is a vacant plot
Added by bhullib on Oct 09, 2014 3:27 PM
Emily Balch Thorpe
Thank you for posting her obituary. Could you please edit it to list the newspaper and date the obit was printed? Thanks so much! Lori
Added by Elkv42 on Oct 09, 2014 11:13 AM
B. C. B. : :=)
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 97418438
More than one name on a memorial generally means that they are all buried in that plot.
However I know of at least two ladies who are mentioned on two different markers. It often happens when there is more than one marriage for
that person. Also of course military personel may have more than one memorial.
There is one military memorial that a person is named on three memorials, two in Canada and one
in England.
Added by B. C. B. : :=) on Oct 04, 2014 8:30 AM
B. C. B. : :=)
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 97418438
All 3 are in this Cemetery.
Added by B. C. B. : :=) on Sep 30, 2014 11:42 PM
RE: Arthur AKA Albert Young
Thank you for deleting the memorial. The preponderous of info for him is that his name is Albert A. Young: the stone, the actual cemetery records, the published obituary and yes, even the headstone application has that written above his name. I had him listed as Albert for all those reasons. Also, Findagrave says to list the name as per the stone. I did change his name per your request, tho, and accounted for the name difference in the bio field. Thank you for your response.
Added by BjJ on Sep 21, 2014 10:09 AM
Rebecca Ellis
photo request ;John Keller - St Marys
There is a note on John Keller's memorial page stating he does not have a marker on his grave.
Added by Rebecca Ellis on Sep 21, 2014 9:59 AM
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 7742138
That is a good example of why you can't assume the person is buried in a cemetery just because a name is listed on the stone, if there are no death dates. The person who made the memorial assumed that she was buried there. I have a 2xgreat grandmother whose name appears on a stone with her first husband. He was killed after they had been married only a few years and she remarried and moved out west. She is buried out west in Kansas and not with her first husband. I try to check before I post so I don't intentionally make a mistake.
Added by RickC on Sep 16, 2014 2:34 PM
Mike Brown
Margaret Metzger grave
Hope you enjoy the photos of the grave of Margaret Metzger in Zion Cemetery. I did not find an Elizabeth Metzger. Many markers are totally unreadable or almost so, broken in pieces or, I'm sure, lost altogether. I have one or two other angles of this grave if you are interested.
Added by Mike Brown on Sep 04, 2014 12:09 PM
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