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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/21/thieves-strike-cemetery-take-off-with-100000-worth-of-bronze/
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 82,351 ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am now selective as to which memorials get sent edit updates as I don't like being used by people who have zero intention of ever researching the memorials they are not related to BUT, who refuse to transfer them out. Also, the "new" FAG edit system is EXTREMELY time consuming with having to fill out several sections on the same memorial which eats up my research time. So I will no longer send edit updates to anyone 1) strictly adhering to FAG memorial transfer "guidelines" (or my transfers). If someone is not related to a memorial and did not do the research to find the information on the memorial (other people sent in edit updates) there is no reason not to transfer non-relative memorials to current ggg grandchildren or even to a cousin willing to do research. 2) Anyone with no comments on their page because deleted them or comments not allowed on page will not receive edit updates. 3) Anyone forcing people to get permission to use their photos will not get edit updates.I worked much harder & paid more money to find that information than it took to drive to a cemetery and snap a cell phone photo. If I don't force people to give me permission before using information I find, I don't expect someone to force me to get permission to use a simple photo. They are not Picassos. 4) Anyone who states they don't want death/birth certificates, obits,etc posted to "their" memorials will not get edit updates.

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from ancestry.com USA;ancestry.com International;Archives.com;Geneologybank.com;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on ancestry.com, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of them...to find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore ancestry.com's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If ancestry.com hints show a father for Susan as Tom Jones..you know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator
http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/birthday.html

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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Armstrong History
Nayes Request @ Allenville Cemetery
Hi - I saw your photo request for Nayes at Allenville Cemetery. I went back to the photos I took when I was out there a few times last summer and remember the two individual gravestones behind the larger "family gravestone" (which I have posted on the memorial page) were very worn. I will go back out there in a few weeks - hopefully it will be above zero and most of the snow will be gone and I'll check on it for you. I am thinking if I "claim" your photo request now, it will expire before the snow is gone and the cemetery is accessible. It's a pretty rural cemetery - so I am thinking that it may not be plowed in the winter.
Added by Armstrong History on Mar 04, 2015 2:20 PM
Mr. Ed
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 82538671
Your welcomed! I like to do those "layout" photos for family plots because I feel it gives a person a better sense on how the plot is layed. And it shows all the relatives buried in a family section. Ed ~
Added by Mr. Ed on Feb 25, 2015 12:07 PM
Whitfield
Hayes family etc.
Hello
I claimed and fulfilled your request for Charles Hayes. While doing so, I sent you some edit requests. I just read your bio, where it states that you will not accept/process edit requests from people who do not have their comments enabled. I would ask that you re-consider that statement. Some gravers are nasty, and don't have comments because of that. Others, as in my case, have had threatening and online harassers, so the comment page is disabled.
Anyways, I also do my own extensive research and try my best to be accurate.
I would ask you to consider my edit requests.
Thx
Added by Whitfield on Feb 20, 2015 9:47 PM
Hamblin/Keys
RE: Orville W Fassett
Ok. Just wondered if you knew. Thanks anyway.
Added by Hamblin/Keys on Feb 18, 2015 11:23 AM
Hamblin/Keys
RE Orville W Fassett
Just out of curiosity, how did he get killed?
Added by Hamblin/Keys on Feb 14, 2015 3:56 PM
Curtiss48858
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 103128151
I'm not sure what you are referring to. Mary's memorial has two photos - the first is the stone that says Mother and has her dates. The second is the "family stone" that has their last name on it, but has no individual information for either Mary or her husband.
Added by Curtiss48858 on Feb 12, 2015 11:08 AM
Marian Buck Sargent
Joseph Cosens Obituary
Hello!
Thank you so much for the obituary on my Gt-Grandfather, Joseph Cosens!! I truly appreciate it. I know the work of family research. I just read the work you have done in researching and my story is a twin to yours!! I have been working on genealogy since about 1969....long time now! In the early years it meant trips to libraries, working around the schedule of raising 4 sons, a blueberry farm and keeping books for my husbands business!! I have spent more money than I would ever care to figure out! So when someone like you needs something, I am happy to oblige...but not someone who wants me to do everything for nothing!How did you happen on the obit? Are you related to the Cosens family? I now live in Oregon, am retired and try to do a little research now and then. I love Find A Grave...great tool for us at this stage! Best wishes, Marian Buck Sargent
Added by Marian Buck Sargent on Feb 10, 2015 6:27 PM
Barbara LeClaire
Ancestor Chaser too.
Birth certificates are more expensive in California and impossible for adoptee's in most states even many years after death, as well as death certificates being more expensive. I really admire your completeness in information and perseverance however. Wish I had started earlier.
I visited the states that my relatives had died and was not interested. Judging from how most headstones are kept up that maybe the reason so many are in such bad condition. Now I spend more hours a day only doing this to catch up. I wish I had started with the knowledge I have now. I did not get here on my own but with lots and lots of help.
I hope you do not mind but I copied your biography, framed it and put it next to my new laptop. Still have walls to break down. Thank you for your help.
Added by Barbara LeClaire on Feb 10, 2015 12:14 PM
Barbara LeClaire
Ancestor Chaser too.
Birth certificates are more expensive in California and impossible for adoptee's in most states even many years after death, as well as death certificates being more expensive. I really admire your completeness in information and perseverance however. Wish I had started earlier.
I visited the states that my relatives had died and was not interested. Judging from how most headstones are kept up that maybe the reason so many are in such bad condition. Now I spend more hours a day only doing this to catch up. I wish I had started with the knowledge I have now. I did not get here on my own but with lots and lots of help.
I hope you do not mind but I copied your biography, framed it and put it next to my new laptop. Still have walls to break down. Thank you for your help.
Added by Barbara LeClaire on Feb 10, 2015 12:14 PM
Judith D
Roy Sayers
Spouse link fixed. Thanks for the second email, I thought I was getting conflicting requests and didn't know how I would deal with it. Any way, easily fixed! Have a great day!
Added by Judith D on Feb 09, 2015 2:28 PM
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