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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 90,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am tired of feeling used by memorial managers who don't do their own research. I no longer send edit updates to 1) FAG memorial owners who require people to get permission to use their photos. If my data is freely given, so should photos. 2) FAG memorials who strictly follow the FAG transfer rules. People who do not research their own memorials don't transfer - just take and I don't support this. 3) FAG memorials with owners who remove the ability of people to make comments on the comment page. If so many people write nasty comments that comments are disabled, it raises flags about the memorial owner

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from USA; International;;;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If hints show a father for Susan as Tom know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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Gloria Brethour
Thomas W. Beamish
Yes, Thomas is my G-Grandfather.

Gloria Brethour
Added by Gloria Brethour on Sep 29, 2015 8:22 AM
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 16566197
I am replying to the message you sent me below, I am going through all my certificates and making sure they can be enlarged and read, if you can not I am replacing them with ones that can be, including Joseph Bennett

Find A Grave Memorial# 16566197
The death certificate you posted is difficult and in some places impossible to read as it is finite and cannot be enlarged.

The death certtificate I posted if someone mouse clicks on it ZOOMS IN and mouse click again...zoom in again and greatly enlarges the entire death document.

There are be 2 headstone photos so why not death certificates. If one should be deleted it should be the difficult to read one where it cannot be enlarged and expanded by the viewer.
Added by MWarner on Sep 27, 2015 9:33 AM
Added by Connie on Sep 28, 2015 7:00 AM
Gloria Brethour
Thomas Beamish's birth was Nov. 24, 1857 and he died on the 28 of January not the 25, could you correct my Great-Grandfather's info.

Thank You, Gloria
Added by Gloria Brethour on Sep 25, 2015 8:51 AM
Gloria Brethour
Mary could you correct Edith Beamish's maiden name it was spelled Geary.

Thank you, Gloria
Added by Gloria Brethour on Sep 25, 2015 8:39 AM
Terri Hobbs
Royal Brown
Yes there are 2 Royal Browns. They have different DOB and DOD.
Added by Terri Hobbs on Sep 10, 2015 3:58 PM
My apologies.
Added by Spanky on Sep 08, 2015 9:40 PM
This article was about his recent burial.

Added by Spanky on Sep 08, 2015 9:39 PM
Hi. This is the translated bio, albeit google, from the website I sent to you for Menachem Taffel:

If you have any additions or corrections for him or additional communication, please SAC his memorial. Thank you.

Born on 21 July 1900 in Sedriczow. Married to Klara nee legs (born April 23 1899 in Krosno). Daughter Esther (born on May 31, 1928 in Berlin, 1935 Girls Primary School of the Jewish Community Berlin) works on their schooling as a volunteer in the Jewish Nursing home in Alsace Street. The Taffels dwell 1929 in Ackerstrasse 5, 1931 in the Rheinberger Straße 30 and operate a dairy. You must move in 1938 Menachem's parents in Berlin in the Elsässer Straße 8: David leg (born August 6, 1870 in Frysztak / Poland, on 19 April 1943, after Terezin, died there in June 1943) and Breindel born Pindles (born , deported on 1872 in Korczyna / Poland on 19 April 1943, after Theresienstadt to Auschwitz and murdered). Breindel Taffel leads, according to address, until 1938 a fabric store in the Elsässer Straße 8 Menachem, Klara and esters Taffel be deported on March 12, 1943 with the 36th Osttransport from Berlin to Auschwitz. On March 13, 1943 come with this transport 344 Jewish men and 620 Jewish women and children there. After selection, 218 men and 147 women are sent as prisoners to the camp, the rest of 599 people - including Menahem wife and daughter - immediately killed in the gas chamber. Taffel will be transferred to the main camp Auschwitz because of an ulcer on his left foot from the prisoner Buna on 30 April 1943rd July 30th 1943 deportation to Natzweiler-Struthof. Murdered in the gas chamber, where on August 17 or 19, 1943rd
Added by Spanky on Sep 08, 2015 9:32 PM
Joseph Bennett
Would you please remove the death certificate you put on for Joseph Bennett. I already have it there.
Thank you.

Memoral# 16566197
Added by Connie on Sep 08, 2015 5:12 AM
Terri Hobbs
I need the 2 Find A Grave memorial numbers of the 2 Royals that you think are duplicates please. Thank you
Added by Terri Hobbs on Sep 06, 2015 11:58 AM
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