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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 76,000 ancestors) and until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. No longer. I am now very selective as to which memorials get sent edit updates as I don't like being used by people too lazy to research their own memorials. I also don't like taking time to fill out several edit update sections per memorial when that time adds up and takes time from my research so being selective will save me time also. 1) Anyone strictly adhering to FAG memorial transfer "guidelines" will no longer get my edit updates (or my transfers). If someone is not related to a memorial and did not do the research to find the information on the memorial (other people sent in edit updates) there is no reason not to transfer non-relative memorials to current ggg grandchildren or even to a cousin willing to do research. There is one reason not to-hoarding-and I refuse to send in edit updates as it encourages that behavior. 2) Anyone with no comments on their page because deleted them or comments not allowed on page will not receive edit updates. 3) Anyone forcing people to get permission to use their photos will not get edit updates.I worked much harder to find that information than it took to drive to a cemetery and snap a cell phone photo. If I don't force people to give me permission before using information I find, I don't expect someone to force me to get permission to use a simple photo. They are not Picassos. 4) Anyone who states they don't want death/birth certificates, obits,etc posted to "their" memorials will not get edit updates.

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the McLean, Radel, Udell, Sayles, Madson, Decker, Quick, Handy, Woodring, Andersons ...too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify the relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry on-line subscriptions from USA, International,, 3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on an excel spreadsheet as might have to contact them again on another ancestor) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG so it would be on the internet. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I poured over free on-line ancestry by surname books and purchased many books on families when I could find them.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I poured over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I sent thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo or take it on as a history project and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked. I also purchased ancestry books on-line - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2014 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 67,900 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all the family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends ....but so rewarding when the family ancestry members finally fit together.

TIP 1: Buy a death certificate - it tells you where the person is buried (or cremated) & verifies parents. Sometimes this is the only way. Buy from the COUNTY - not from the state and NEVER buy on-line (way too expensive). Google county person died in and death certificate. Ex: Kent County Michigan death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving the last name blank on women whose maiden names are unknown. ALWAYS put the husband's surname...BUT ..make it small letters. Example. If Susan is married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until you find her maiden name. When hints show a father for Susan as Tom automatically know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means that is her husband's last name. Having jones as her last name helps the computer match to the correct Susan instead of leaving the last name blank and getting tons of different last names.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) and the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) and the name of my mother's parents - that is it. I never met my dad's father and didn't even know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

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Jonathan Omholt
Mary Gwen Harper
Changes made as requested and I even filled out her DOB and POD. Thanks for adding the obit.
Added by Jonathan Omholt on Nov 20, 2014 12:24 AM
Terry Start
Your Floral View photo request is being fulfilled with photos I took this past summer as part of a gravesite inventory. When fulfilling individual photo requests I normally clean up the markers before taking the photo but the cemetery is currently covered by a layer of snow. As soon as the snow melts, I will trim around the markers and post new photos.
Added by Terry Start on Nov 16, 2014 6:01 PM
William McLean at Swarthout Cemetery
Hello, you have a photo request for William McLean 28782550 at Swarthout Cemetery in Saginaw County. I think I located the stone you are looking for however the name appears to read MCCain. He is buried next to the McLean. Not sure if memorial is wrong or possibly headstone engraved wrong. Let me know what you think. I will add photo but will remove it it not who you are looking for.
Added by RAP on Nov 12, 2014 5:03 AM

I am sorry you do not like the new auto edit feature, but for us contributors it helps so much.

Like today I have over 100 Auto Edits alone!

I did not create that feature but myself i love to have it on this site.

Maybe you should possibly contact findagrave and let them know how you do not like it.

Most folks do not have the time to add all the links, dates marriages and places and long obituary's that we are sent and. This makes life so much more easy for those just trying to help others.

Added by DSON1492 on Nov 11, 2014 3:46 PM
Charles Miller
Hi! Photos posted for him.

Also there:

Minnie Miller, 3-11-1941, Age 87 years

If you add a photo request for her I will post the photos that I took.

Added by Ace on Nov 10, 2014 10:16 AM
Barbara Wolf
Jno R Ireland
Thank you for the info. I have added a "Note" to his memorial in Indiana.
Added by Barbara Wolf on Nov 09, 2014 4:15 PM
M. Johnson
Esther Madison
When you have time, please check out Esther Madison at Lakeside, Muskegon. I think you may have a duplicate there? MJ
Added by M. Johnson on Nov 07, 2014 7:21 AM
Mary Downing-Mahan (gravehuntermary)
Christian Zehring
Hill Grove cemetery. You requested a photo, but there is one there. It is the only marker in place.
Added by Mary Downing-Mahan (grave... on Nov 04, 2014 2:14 PM
Janice Hollandsworth
Theodore Galat
Galat, Theodore
Date of Interment: 12/20/2004
Cemetery: Mt. Olivet Cemetery
Location: Section 23, Lot 168, Space 2
Added by Janice Hollandsworth on Oct 20, 2014 1:00 PM
B. C. B. : :=)
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 97418438
I have done as you suggested. I evan had the personal photo put on both. They seamed to appreciate the information.
I have found that the war graves records are useful in obtaining information about soldiers.

I have also created a memorial for a soldier that had two other memorials, one out west and one in England.
Added by B. C. B. : :=) on Oct 18, 2014 7:13 AM
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