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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/21/thieves-strike-cemetery-take-off-with-100000-worth-of-bronze/
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 90,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am tired of feeling used by memorial managers who don't do their own research. I no longer send edit updates to 1) FAG memorial owners who require people to get permission to use their photos. If my data is freely given, so should photos. 2) FAG memorials who strictly follow the FAG transfer rules. People who do not research their own memorials don't transfer - just take and I don't support this. 3) FAG memorials with owners who remove the ability of people to make comments on the comment page. If so many people write nasty comments that comments are disabled, it raises flags about the memorial owner


I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from ancestry.com USA;ancestry.com International;Archives.com;Geneologybank.com;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on ancestry.com, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of them...to find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore ancestry.com's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If ancestry.com hints show a father for Susan as Tom Jones..you know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator
http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/birthday.html

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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Trickykid1
Edward Berger - Hollywood Forever
I am planning a photo trip to this cemetery soon. If you call the cemetery and find out the exact location of the gravesite, I will try to find him. This cemetery is too big to find someone without the Section #, Row # and Space #. Thanks!
Added by Trickykid1 on Aug 28, 2015 6:19 PM
Michael
RE: Memorial transfer Question
Hello MWarner,

You were asking me about my transfer policies. I transfer family members and friends. I donít transfer memorials that someone wants for the surnames.

Michael.
Added by Michael on Aug 27, 2015 2:42 PM
claire a
Allen Shea


Hello, you wrote in regards to a transfer to me.. Allen Shea, 135972361
Are you related to Allen Shea?


Yes, I am, my uncle, Thank you, Claire
Added by claire a on Aug 20, 2015 1:56 PM
Don Atwell
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 50219102
http://www.kctv5.com/story/29811267/va-probes-report-of-missouri-patio-paved-in-military-headstones
Added by Don Atwell on Aug 19, 2015 11:59 AM
JBG
Find a Grave Photo Requests
As part of my Eagle Scout Project I am fulfilling photo requests around Northern Virginia. I would like to fulfill your photo request for the person you listed for National Memorial Park, but I've already asked them to look up the locations of many people there. If you would be willing to call the cemetery (703-560-4400) and ask for the plot information on your request and relay that information to me today, Wednesday, or Thursday, we will go fulfill your request this Friday.

Thanks,
Joel Galloway
Added by JBG on Aug 18, 2015 1:06 PM
Carolyn Troupe Stoll
Earnest E. LaFave
Isee you made a memorial for him. He was married
to Mary Jane, my 1st cousin 1xrem. Earnest memorial
# 111535201 Sand Lake Cemetery. Can you find out
if his wife has passed and buried next to him?
I would really appreciate it.
I also have been working on all my families and
liked your suggestions.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Carolyn 47697510
Added by Carolyn Troupe Stoll on Aug 12, 2015 2:00 PM
Cheryl Behrend
John P Curtis Photo
Hi, You had taken a photo in the Matthews IOOF Cemetery, of John P & Rosetta Curtis, but I see that it was only posted to Rosetta Curtis. If I ask for a photo request, would you please also add it to John P Curtis ?

Thank you in advance.
Cheryl
Added by Cheryl Behrend on Aug 11, 2015 11:47 AM
claire a
Allen Shea
Hello, Yes, I am related. He is my uncle. Thank you for the posting, Claire
Added by claire a on Aug 09, 2015 8:17 PM
Linda
McLain reuest
The birth year for Robert McLain is 1921-2000. In the same Niche with him are Francis McLain 1923-1982 and Patricia McLain 1954-2002. I made memorial pages for them as they did not have one. I will transfer them to you if you like. Linda
Added by Linda on Aug 06, 2015 5:09 PM
Candy & Mike & Mom
Rowena Petrie Patton
Hello, I went to the Southern Cemetery in Central Lake,MI, and encountered an Aunt of Rowena. She informed me the Rowena was cremated and it is believed that she was not buried and that it is unknown where her ashes are at this time. Her husband was cremated as well and was buried in this cemetery at the foot of his father, and he has a plaque. The plaque has his name only. Hope this info helps in your quest. Have a wonderful day.
Candy, Mike & Mom
Added by Candy & Mike & Mom on Aug 05, 2015 7:56 PM
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