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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 85,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates.
I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from USA; International;;;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If hints show a father for Susan as Tom know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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karen ahn
William Earl Shy
You have a request for a stone photo of William. There are 2 memorials of him #93910249 with photo and #15581379 without photo. So I am taken your request off.
Added by karen ahn on May 20, 2015 5:54 PM
Ethel Miner Patten
The obit has been posted on Ethel's Memorial.If you would like to post her picture be my guest. Phil
Added by Wildcajun on May 20, 2015 10:26 AM
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 77088285
No, her remains were placed into the garden with the roses. I was told she has no marker. The garden is small but beautiful. There is a beautiful old rugged cross in the corner.
Added by MommaTimbo on May 09, 2015 4:21 PM
oakgrove sexton
Nellie Pipher is buried in Oak Grove Cemetery but there is no marker to photograph. She is locate in Potter's Field Block 141, lot 1, plot 40 between Laura Ellen Carr (plot42) and an unnamed infant (plot 38). Effie Pipher is to the north of Nellie in plot 46 and Jerry Pipher is located in plot 44. Let me know if I cane be of any further assistance.
Added by oakgrove sexton on Apr 28, 2015 7:26 AM
Dave Davenport
RE: 144090487
Added by Dave Davenport on Apr 16, 2015 11:35 AM
Gloria Brethour
Emma Beamish 79724486
Could you add Emma's parents to her memorial? William Vance 144785496 and Lucy Vance

Thank you, Gloria
Added by Gloria Brethour on Apr 10, 2015 7:22 AM
Stella Smith
I have entered the photo you requested. This photograph is covered by the Wiki Commons agreement, and may be used for any not for profit use. Please credit the photo "Photo by D. Grothmann"
Added by Grothmann on Apr 09, 2015 8:04 PM
John Bradford
Added by John Bradford on Mar 31, 2015 8:12 PM
John Bradford
Added by John Bradford on Mar 25, 2015 7:18 AM
Thomas Sloan in Oakwood
I tried to find the marker today, but was not successful. Perhaps it is still under the snow. Will try again.
Added by butterfly on Mar 20, 2015 10:01 PM
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