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Julie Mofle (#47888674)
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Bio Photo Some pertinent interests include Wisconsin history and genealogy, especially regarding 1800s immigration.

My simple mission here is to honor the dead and to be of helpful service to the living.


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Please visit "Hall of Honor," dedicated to those who gave military service to the USA in peacetime and in war, including veterans of the American Civil War (both sides.)

"Hall of Honor-Wisconsin" is a collection of Wisconsin veterans' memorials.

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Please visit the memorial for:

CORP. JOHN McBRIDE, Memorial #147643639

McBride was an Irish immigrant Union Army soldier who survived the Civil War but was shot to death while working as a ranch hand in California. His grave was submerged by a reservoir for decades but was uncovered in 2015 due to drought.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=147643639

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Bob
Henry Jansen
Thanks for info-corrected
Bob
Added by Bob on Jun 29, 2015 2:47 PM
Christopher Ware
RE: John McBride Burial
Sounds good...I will go ahead and delete mine then.
Added by Christopher Ware on Jun 15, 2015 9:44 AM
Bob
Katharine Vanden Heuvel
Can't locate my source, so I'll delete.
Bob
Added by Bob on Jun 13, 2015 1:42 PM
CJBiller
Pleyto Cemetery
Send me the history you would like to be posted and I will send it to the right people in the admin section of the organization as they can update that info regardless who originally created the cemetery web page.
Charles
Added by CJBiller on Jun 12, 2015 3:48 PM
The Genealogy Genie
RE: Corp. John McBride Edits
Sorry for sending the wrong info. the first time around. There was no confusion on the death date. I picked the wrong date from the drop down menu and didn't realize until I saw your update. My source is from a newspaper article regarding Mr. McBride's death, published in a Sacramento paper two days after the event.
Added by The Genealogy Genie on Jun 11, 2015 9:08 PM
CJBiller
Pleyto cemetery
Perhaps you want info uploaded to the cemetery main page? There are a number of cemetery pictures and any message may not get much notice.
But, perhaps something about the cemetery itself would be best posted to the main page.
If this is what you are thinking, You could send a message to the staff with a link to the cemetery page. This can be done at the discussion forums or if you are not sure how, I can certainly do it.
I read the article in the Herald. Most interesting.
Added by CJBiller on Jun 11, 2015 6:09 PM
CJBiller
John McBride
Certainly. Send me the info.

Perhaps it may belong in the bio section?
Added by CJBiller on Jun 11, 2015 6:00 PM
Steven Mix
RE: Corp. John McBride/Pleyto Cem.
LOL! I generally stay away from famous people, to avoid the flood of suden interest. But this was such a cool story that I came on site looking for him, or to create him. So everybody now has the same idea.

I have a paper copy of the article in the Oakland Tribune from Tuesday, June 9. It's credited to a staff writer. The link I gave you was from the Contra Costa Times, which is some miles east of here. And the photos are from the Monterey Herald, which is hundreds of miles south, where the Pleyto ghost town and cemetery are. So it seems that the article is hitting critical mass, as it gets picked up by different news outlets around the state.

Watch out if it hits Illinois, and also goes national. Put all your other plans on hold for the week. :)
Added by Steven Mix on Jun 11, 2015 2:31 PM
Steven Mix
RE: Corp. John McBride/Pleyto Cem.
Thanks Julie, but it is not me who is adding all those images! Everybody else seems to suddenly be coming out of the wood work. Maybe the article is now appearing in different papers. It certainly was an intriguing story.

You as manager can delete some images, but I would probably wait a few days or weeks, until interest slows down a bit. Somebody might want to pay the $5 to sponsor it, which would allow up to 20 images instead of the default 5. Let's see if somebody contacts you with a photo. We might not even have to request one.

But at least now the memorial is much easier to find, so it might generate some more interest in the entire site. It looks like a fairly sparse countryside, from the cemetery photos that I looked at.
Added by Steven Mix on Jun 11, 2015 2:16 PM
Steven Mix
RE: Corp. John McBride/Pleyto Cem.
Hi Julie, the exact quote from the article was he "was buried in a knoll by himself, a short distance away from where a handful of townspeople and other Civil War veterans had been buried in the old town cemetery."

So I take that to mean that he was indeed in the old cemetery. It would be great to be able to get the exact GPS coordinates of his submerged grave (and thus of the old cemetery site), which was very familiar since childhood to the retired Ranger who is caretaking the site.

And I also did understand that his grave was not moved, precisely because there was no family to do so. I suppose it is probably some sort of signed authorization that would be required, but who knows.

My primary concern is not that the current cemetery boundary be within exactly the same fence location, within the couple hundred yards or so of the old site. But that we only have a year or so, maybe less, to get a photo. Decades from now, when the next severe drought comes our way and uncovers the site, the bracket will be rotted away, the stone will have moved, and gotten buried in mud, or otherwise be defaced or lost forever. And the Ranger who knows about it will be long gone. So this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do this right.

But when I currently click on the photo request, I only get "Not a valid cemetery..."

So this is a case where I think we should sacrifice exactitude of what defines a cemtery boundary, for the benefit of getting a photo and GPS coordinates. In a year from now, it will become a lost cause entirely. And so the "Non-Cemetery Burial" memorial won't mean much, as just yet another unspecified location, with no family, and with no photo or any GPS coordinate to support it.

There are photos with the article, credited to Vern Fisher / Monterey Herald Photos. But they are not very clear, and Find-a-Grave policy is against using those. And getting and supporting permission to use them perpetually might be awkward.

So on balance, I just think that the path of least resistance, and for the greatest benefit, would be to move it to the cemetery. We could also look at the possibility of creation of a new cemetery site, for the old site. But that seems to be a bit of an extreme solution, for just one grave.
Added by Steven Mix on Jun 11, 2015 11:22 AM
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