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I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the McLean, Radel, Udell, Sayles, Madson, Decker, Quick, Handy, Woodring, Andersons ...too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops. |
Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify the relatives and paid for numerous on-line ancestry on-line subscriptions from ancestry.com USA, ancestry.com International, Archives.com, Geneologybank.com 3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG so it would be on the internet. Until someone posts it on ancestry.com, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I poured over free on-line ancestry by surname books and purchased many books on families when I could find them.
I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.
I poured over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I sent thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo or take it on as a history project and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked. I also purchased ancestry books on-line - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.
Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.
It is 2014 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 62,000 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)
I salute all the family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends ....but so rewarding when the family ancestry members finally fit together.
TIP 1: Buy a death certificate - it tells you where the person is buried (or cremated) & verifies parents. Sometimes this is the only way. Buy from the COUNTY - not from the state and NEVER buy on-line (way too expensive). Google county person died in and death certificate. Ex: Kent County Michigan death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop.
TIP 2: Ignore ancestry.com's suggestion of leaving the last name blank on women whose maiden names are unknown. ALWAYS put the husband's surname...BUT ..make it small letters. Example. If Susan is married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until you find her maiden name. When ancestry.com hints show a father for Susan as Tom Jones..you automatically know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means that is her husband's last name. Having jones as her last name helps the computer match to the correct Susan instead of leaving the last name blank and getting tons of different last names.
TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) and the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) and the name of my mother's parents - that is it. I never met my dad's father and didn't even know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.
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|Kennetta Lemon||Elizabeth Squires|
I have added your information to this memorial. Thank you.
|Anne||Carl Hagelgans photo request|
Could you please check your dates for this person. I show a Carl Hagelgans in The Burr Oak Township Cemetery but he was born in 1890 & died in 1954. The dates are close but not exact so I was wondering if this is the right person or two deprecate individuals.
Added by Anne on Jul 02, 2014 12:26 PM
Familysearch.org if you sign up allows you to see the death certificate and download for free if between 1908 to 1952 in Ohio at least. May save others money to know this.
Added by LindaB on Jul 01, 2014 12:47 PM
|LindaB||Decker @ Oakland|
Please check your edits, I added plots info.
Added by LindaB on Jul 01, 2014 12:44 PM
|majiqlady||Eliza Handy (Evergreen)|
I looked up the death record for Mary L Wilson (Muskegon) and it said the mother's name was E. Handy. No father's name was given. Eliza Handy must be her mother and they're both buried in the same plot.
|Patrick Whitney||Judge Quick|
Thank you for the obit. I have put it up.
|Maureen and Ed Weatherly||Klappstein|
Thank you for asking to transfer but I just keep track where they are buried. I try to work with the cemetery care taker. These two cemeteries are very close together. Have a good week
|majiqlady||RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 83674848|
I have a listing from the cemetery and it says 2-3-7. The memorial page doesn't specify format, so I go by the cemetery list. I know it's confusing. For Evergreen,the "block" runs north to south 1-17 and the "range" runs west to east 1-10, . So it's listed as Lot 2 block 3 range 7. Let me know if I can be of any more help.
|Dale Schaefer||RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 131940679|
Yes, both her single and a full photo are attached to her memorial. It appears she must have been married to Edgar Quick at one time since they share the 'Quick' stone.
|Gary S. Sharp||Sharp Duplicates|
I received three emails suggesting that I delete three different memorials that were duplicates. It listed you as the contributor, but the site says they are managed by Beth Silva and Frank Passick. Anyways, the memorial for my grandma Elsie Decker had more info than the one I made so I went ahead and deleted mine. Her full name is not included in the original using the initial M instead of her name, Mary.
As for the memorials for my mother Joanne and my grandmother Ruth, there is a lot of information on my entry and practically nothing on the original. If it is to be that the original should remain, it would make sense that my entry should stay up until the information can be copied over. It should also be noted that the same is true for my grandpa Ward and his Sister Helen which also have duplicates managed by Beth Silva. If my entries are to come down, then all the information will have to be cross referenced with all the other links to it, ie, my brothers link to my mother, my grandfathers links to his sister and my grandmother, and vice versa of course. Let me know if you want to go through all that work to maintain the original posting.
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