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RosalieAnn (#46559872)
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Bio Photo Away this week - may not get to things as fast.

* Born : Baltimore MD - 1937
* Married 1959 to my first and only husband
* Four children 1961 - 1971
* Retired Feb 2000

* First grandchild born in 1980.
* Youngest grandchild of 11 born in 2006.
* First great grandchild born 2012

* Father died 1973
* Grandson died 1994.
* Mother died 2006

I am working on finding the graves of the descendants of Anthony Yerkes which are listed in the "Chronicles of the Yerkes Family With Notes On The Leech And Rutter Families" by Josiah Granville Leach published in 1904, and on finding the graves of those people mentioned in "Sketches of William Hicks, Abner Hicks, Jasper Hicks, George Harris, James Crews, John Earl and something of their Descendants With Comparisons of Present Conditions of Living With Those of Sixty Years Ago" by Titus Thurston Hicks, printed in 1926 and reprinted in 1954. I have virtual cemeteries for those that I have found.

Posting photos on FindAGrave does not automatically put them in the public domain. Please ask if you want to use any photos of mine and tell me what you want them for. My email is rafbeas at aol. If I find my photos used without my permission, I will take all necessary steps to redress the situation.

Do not email transfer requests. Use the Edit tab on the memorial. Transfers outside Find A Grave guidelines will be assessed on a case by case basis. Please tell me your specific relationship to the deceased and explain what you have to contribute to the memorial that I can't add. I am glad to add any links (except to memorials with no burial location) or bio information that you send. I do not add links to memorials where the final disposition has not been determined. Do not put obituaries or other information on the deceased in a flower.

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Judith Lee Howard Shea
RE: Why FindAGrave
Thanks for your thorough attempt to answer my questions about your thoughts about Find-a-Grave and its purposes and guidelines. Many people would have given up the conversation by now. You are a person after my own heart that way!

I was glad to read, about why some others thought that the name could be spelled the way it always had been because:

"Basically the feeling was that there was adequate documentation that it was spelled wrong and very little chance that a duplicate would be made by changing the spelling from what was on the stone. And it was important to you and family feelings are important to us."

Each of these reasons reads true to me, and I hope you finally came to understand that these are good reasons.

I have a couple of other small comments, but I want to say that basically, for you, the idea that "Find-a-Grave" and "Genealogy" are incompatible覧one might say, ("pun intended" to quote you, or at least, "amusing reference intended," is, carved in stone. I can sure hear in your examples of how "genealogy motivated" people have messed around with the pure methodology of Find-a-Grave has polarized the thinking in this regard! I appreciate your giving some examples of things people have done in the interests of "THEIR FAMILY" looking good, or some such, including "THEIR RACE" looking good.

To me, however, these are examples of people who were messing around, in an unethical, destructive way not only with Findagrave, but with the methods of Genealogy.

(I take exception to your dislike of people who are into Findagrave basically to increase their knowledge of people on their own family tree.

You see, to me, those people play a part, too, in adding to the overall knowledge desired by Findagrave. Given, I think, Findagrave's ideal 覧would you agree?葉hat every grave in the world could be on Findagrave, with accurate details, whatever those details be. So everyone's contributions should be welcome, whatever their motivations, be love of photography, or love of history or love of families覧 as long as accuracy is adhered to, including ALL the basic requirements of Findagrave.)

As far as "people not playing their part," that's true of almost everyone in the world, since most people in the world contribute nothing to Findagrave! So, people who only put their own family on, are better than nothing! The fewer value judgments on useful contributors, the better, I should think, in order to strive towards the main goal.

Back to "Genealogy VS Findagrave," I kind of regret that there is such a sentiment. It seems to make for unneeded annoyance and aggravation on the part of contributors who are judging other contributors. It's a common human thing, to judge others negatively so that one can feel better about oneself. Something to strive to eliminate in one's character, something not to encourage in self or others.

To me, the important thing in both Genealogy and Findagrave is ACCURACY. I appreciate your story about how your mother, a seasoned genealogist, helped you along with your original tree work, assisting you in understanding the need for proof, validation, verification in doing tree work.

We share this in family history! In the 1970s my father, with help from his mother and his brother, created a large "paper" family tree, with no computer resources! Because there were no computers! But even with the resources they had, such as "Torrey's New England Marriages Before 1700" and Church Parish records, and Town & City histories housed in libraries where you had to go to read them, or in books you could buy, and including wandering in the old graveyards! And the family history one's own mother had in her head and old letters覧even with these resources there was disagreement! Incompatibility! So it's always been hard to separate out the "truth" from the "guess." (You would have been proud of me yesterday, researching the death date of a distant relative, finding 3 records to verify that the death date on the Findagrave memorial was wrong覧and finally returning to the memorial to scrutinize the photo of the stone覧and discovering that the contributor had made a mistake, transferring the date of the death of the sister, right above him, on the stone, to the memorial! So I did a quick edit and dropped a note to the manager of the memorial. So we need each other to help maintain accuracy, and whether we think of ourselves doing "Genealogy" or "Findagrave" work, it is all important, useful, and good.)

One of my problems with is the mistakes that get passed along from one tree to the next tree覧and not just THAT, but the difficulty of letting people know when you have found a small mistake in a date or place that has spread everywhere a mistake that you have proof about覧 and no practical way to somehow get one's discover into the system. I've told them about that in one of those "surveys" that pops up every once in a while.

It seems to me that in your mind, you see Genealogy of widely tolerant of inaccuracies and mistakes洋aybe even encouraging of them.
Where that is true, it should not be. Guesses should always be specified, and are, in general, in Genealogy as in Torrey's book, "Before 1651" or "?" All guesses should be noted, don't you agree? A guess can even be put in the text of a Findagrave memorial, I should think, defined as such. When you are doing a Family Tree, you might prefer to have an approximation rather than a Blank.

I don't have a problem seeing Findagrave as a Genealogy Resource, as you say, and always have seen it that way. There is no way to formally add grandparents. Or cousins. Or Grandchildren. I said "Formally" of course you can always mention things, if they have to do with fame, fortune and good works, within a little paragraph. So just by the very structure of Findagrave, I can't and never have seen it as a "Family Tree" site. That doesn't mean I don't consider it a "Genealogy" site. I do, and I consider it still, as being for living people, which all good actions should be覧for living people now and for those to come. With the addition of the guidance of ideals from God's word, and from the structure of the law, as generally agreed upon.

When I said I was a philosopher, you replied and said you didn't like the philosophy course you took in college. But being philosophical and not liking a certain course in school dealing with it, are not incompatible. You, too, are philosophical, where it's important to you.

There's something about this combat, as you see it, between Genealogy and Findagrave that seems to have make your thinking rigid in certain areas, so that you come to the point of saying:

"There doesn't have to be a Why we do it. Some people do it for one reason and some for another. There are many good reasons and some bad ones."

Of course there has to be a Why that Findagrave exists and why people contribute to it. It is considered important for all businesses and organizations to have a Mission Statement. Included in the Mission Statement should be a real reason that the organization exists, at the deepest level. It is by these reasons that the organization is guided. Without that, serious cracks can occur in the functioning of and organization. And you can see the effort being put into the cementing of such purposes through exploration and agreement, among the people who are influential in its functioning. And you, I think, are one of those people?

I think one will find that each person who is involved with Findagrave is doing so for his/her own personal reasons. Some "Good" and some "Bad?"
Be that as it may, there should be a continuing attempt at defining and firming up the overall purposes of Findagrave. Doing so helps solve conflicts, for one thing, such as that, which we had.

I maintain that Findagrave is for humans, and the human element of every conflict should be explored. As was done in my case, "Basically the feeling was that there was adequate documentation that it was spelled wrong and very little chance that a duplicate would be made by changing the spelling from what was on the stone. And it was important to you and family feelings are important to us." These three reasons are important in a human sense: the adequate documentation 耀o it's not just one person with an irrational preference for something, but good for all people concerned. And duplication in unlikely. again, difficult for humans when we are researching, to find duplicate memorials (I've reported a few in my short time here!) and the family and our feelings are important.

So, having used the underlying purposes of Findagrave, a good decision was made by the Findagrave folks. To stay rigid and say "A rule is a rule." can result in "bad decisions" and unhappy people.

If we continue to try and understand ourselves and our motivations, we can continue to grow and improve ourselves as beings, spiritual and human.

This response was based on the top message of three. Later I'll look at the other two, which were longer, and see if there are other things that pop out at me.

Thanks again for your full participation in our discussion. I'm learning some things from it.

I challenge you to determine what the purpose of Find-a-Grave is or should be. Not why some individuals participate in it, but by what principles should the website be maintained. What does it exist for? Why keep track of graves?

Don't forget, my intention is that these long messages should be deleted. Am I the one who has to delete mine?
Added by Judith Lee Howard Shea on Oct 26, 2016 3:42 AM
Added by cchldrss on Oct 24, 2016 7:10 PM
I personally have relatively recent ancestors whose graves are not in a named cemetery with gravestones and in a known cemetery with no gravestone.
I have changed the memorials for Arthur Gray and Mary Gray to non-cemetery burial, which is most likely the case. Arthur Gray died in 1809 when the Chenango area was being settled and was likely buried on his property. Mary died in 1838, according to son Daniel Gray's memorial. Since she never remarried then she is likely buried beside her late husband Arthur. Which of the following would you prefer? 1) Find A Grave linking with the changed info I entered or 2) putting the link in the bios to the child's grave.
Added by cchldrss on Oct 24, 2016 11:10 AM
RE: Benj Dean family
on its way
Added by cchldrss on Oct 23, 2016 6:59 PM
RE: People with unknown grave locations
People from that time period have long since had their graves destroyed except in rare cases. Personally, I think the bios properly constructed and documented are far superior to the trees on Check mine out.
Added by cchldrss on Oct 23, 2016 6:50 PM
RE: Benj Dean family
I have data which links two of your memorials in that cemetery.

New Jersey Marriages, 1684-1895

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Name: Benjamin Dean
Spouse: Euphemia Gray
Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1800
County: Hunterdon
State: NJ


Added by cchldrss on Oct 23, 2016 5:19 PM
Grave Site
According to a letter, date 26 September 1939, from Dr. Rubino of the Federal Security Agency, US Public Health Service, my grandfather was buried in grave # 5120 ( a plot set aside for seaman) on Sept. 16, 1939. Do you have any other information. Thank you for your help.
Added by Libby on Oct 23, 2016 1:52 PM
Benjamin Dean and family
I am interested in finding any other information you might have on this family. Find A Grave# 72808076
Added by cchldrss on Oct 19, 2016 6:47 PM
RE: Viewed stone
Sorry, The stone of Charles Garrett, Find A Grave Memorial# 128650552, I thought I was attaching a note to his memorial.
Charles Garrett's info and that of Rosanah Kuykendall are on the same stone, lying flat among the weeds, Per the stone, after his name are the
words, "departed this life A.D. 1847 aged 51 years".
As far as can be told, it is only stone there.
Glenn Morrison
Added by Glennham on Oct 03, 2016 3:16 PM
Death Year
I viewed this stone yesterday. The death year is given as 1847. Given the age of 51 years (also on the stone) this would make birth about 1796.
Added by Glennham on Oct 02, 2016 7:54 PM
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