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Gracie Katherine
Tar Ridge Cemetery.
I am really tired of talking about this,but for the record I was not making a complaint about any cemetery.

If memory serves, you were complaining to me that you had tried to make a new Spencer cem, in Tar Ridge and findagrave deleted yours and made it an AKA as Tar Ridge.

You stated to me that it had never been known as Tar Ridge,that someone just called it that when they set up memorials years ago.

I knew for a fact that the cemetery had been known as Tar Ridge and had been walked and transcribed by several people,all who called the cemetery Tar Ridge.

I told you to google Wolfe County Cemeteries and you would see where it had been transcribed by a lady who has many relatives in the cemetery,and was called Tar Ridge Cem.

I see that the cemetery has a pretty sign calling it Spencer's cem. I am sure that it is correct in that it has been named Spencer's or called that in the past. I am in agreement with you that the Spencer name should be recorded but that the cemetery should also be known as Spencer's as well as Tar Ridge.

Findagrave did the right thing and logical thing by respecting what the sign says now and what other people have known it as in the past. All parties are represented and no one has to be contacted to move out of legitimate,documented photoed cem,no dupes are made ect.ect.

I like the name Spencer cemetery because you know Spencer is one of the few sir names in my family tree.So I would benefit if the name changed,but that would not be fair to all of the other people who added memorials before me or you.

I also did not understand making a duplicate cemetery and making duplicate memorials and then deleting them if original memorial got moved. It didn't seem to be within the findagrave guidelines.

I again was not complaining. I was asking you a question and trying to understand what was going on.

You took the time to talk to to George Hayes about the Everette Hayes cem and gave me a public account about that. I am glad you sorted that out.
I knew nothing about that cem,but have saw a few
discussions about that cem. last year,regarding if it was part of Tar Ridge Cem.

I am curious though that when you talked to the retired pastor Adam Hays,what he told you if anything,about what the Tar Ridge AKA Spencer was known by,or went by. You never mentioned your conversation with him to me. Did he give you any information?

I was thinking about the Spencer sign and thought back about the Tar Ridge Church of God. It used to be pastored by a very good man Omer Spencer for many years until he passed. I had wondered if that Spencer sign was in some sort of dedication to him and his family who spent so many years of service to the Tar Ridge community and church.I also wondered if that was what George Hayes was referring to when he said Tar Ridge cem had always been known as Spencer's,because for many years The Tar Ridge Church of God was always linked with the Spencer name because of the preacher Omer Spencer and his many children,and their families.

I also want to thank you again for taking all that time and trouble locating my g. aunt Alma's grave. I did have her in the wrong Banks cemetery,and you were kind enough to point it out and give me the correct location. You did not make a dupe of her. You have always been very good about getting people to move to correct cemetery. That is why I asked you what was going on with making dupes,instead of telling people to move them. I was not making a complaint. I was asking you a question which as adults we should be able to do and just agree to disagree sometimes.

As I said before I did not mean to ruffle feathers.I just had information about a cemetery,and questions pertaining to a cemetery that I have family memorials in.

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Lisa Culbertson AKA Gracie

Added by Gracie Katherine on Oct 04, 2015 1:07 PM
Long Black Veil
RE: Charles King/Emory Clay King

No, Kentucky does not require cemeteries to be registered. If they were, people would not be changing the names of some of the older cemeteries. I think a lot of people like to see a cemetery, road, town with their surname. Many states today do require a cemetery be registered, but years ago this was not required in most states except in towns or cities. In Kentucky, you can bury a person on private land, just check local zoning laws for the place you wish to bury a person.

You keep referring to Mr. Porter as the source for names or what some of these cemeteries use to be called, that is why I pointed out mistakes in the name of a cemetery in Porter & Son obit on their web site. I have called Porter & Son's funeral home asking questions about a cemetery listed in an obit, and was told they only knew the cemetery by the name listed in the obit. Later I called an older family member and was told what the cemetery use to be called, which was the name I member as a child when visiting this cemetery.

Porter and Son Funeral Directors have taken care of the arrangements for many of my older family members, and my grandfather.

Added by Long Black Veil on Oct 04, 2015 9:30 AM
Photo Response
Thanks for your time and effort to get the photo of marker for Billy Nickell.
Added by Jim on Oct 03, 2015 7:57 PM
Long Black Veil
RE: Charles King/Emory Clay King
Sometimes the funeral homes do not list the name of a cemetery correctly. If Mr. Porter knew it was now called the Drake cemetery why did he list Emory under Drake-Horton in Aug 2015, and Charles Mike under Horton cemetery in July 2015. Sounds like he might have been confused, as to what this cemetery was really called now.

I have lots of family buried in Wolfe Co. Some of these cemeteries were on land they owned and their family members were the first people buried in these cemeteries One cemetery the land is still in the family today, passed down from father, to son, to grandson. Now the cemetery names has been changed some. Not right. I visited these old cemetery when a small child with my parents and grandparents. Now people want to change the names.

Like I said before anyone can change a name of a cemetery, they should notify every family member who has a love one buried in the cemetery, then it should be approve by the courts.

Added by Long Black Veil on Oct 03, 2015 12:56 PM
Long Black Veil
RE: Charles King/Emory Clay King

I have already moved Emory Clay King, like you ask to the Drake Cemetery. Charles M King and Emory are brothers and I'm sure they are both buried in the same cemetery. What ever cemetery that is????????

Have you visited these cemeteries and photographed their tombstones. I would say until you know for a fact someone is buried in a cemetery do not request the memorial be moved.

Porter & Son Funeral Directors took care of the arrangements for both Emory Clay and Charles Mile King. On Emory the cemetery is listed as Horton- Drake, on Charles the cemetery is listed as Horton. Emory Clay died Aug 13, 2015, Charles Mike died on July 12, 2015. Don't believe the name of the cemetery would have changed in a months time.

Added by Long Black Veil on Oct 03, 2015 7:44 AM
Rosemary Spencer Creech
RE: Reynolds Cemetery
Yes it is called the Reynolds Cemetery. You go past the Church maybe 1/4 mile the road forks and you bear to the right. Keep on that road maybe 1/2 mile the Cemetery in on the right kinda on the bank. You can't miss it. It has a chain link fence around it.
Added by Rosemary Spencer Creech on Oct 02, 2015 7:12 PM
Eileen Shelton
Tar Ridge

Did you look up Wolfe County Cemeteries yet? As much as 15 years ago it was called Tar Ridge on paper. My cousin who is 71 said that she went there as a child a number of times because she has kin there and to the Church of God there also a number of times and that cemetery with Spence's was always called TAR RIDGE.

Many people have walked that cemetery and added memorials and pictures for it as TAR RIDGE.

Would you please NOT notify Find A Grave to change that name to Spencer's or to any other name nor ask them to ever change any name of any cemetery in Wolfe County or any other county.
Added by Eileen Shelton on Oct 02, 2015 3:49 PM
Gracie Katherine
Wolfe County Cemetery listings
Here is the web page I was talking about listing some of the Wolfe County cem. If it does not paste just google Wolfe County Cemeteries,it should come up.
Added by Gracie Katherine on Oct 02, 2015 3:24 PM
Gracie Katherine
Tar Ridge Cemetery.
Hello Betty,
We can't seem to get off this thread.

You have told me before that you rely on Frank Porter for his expertise in these areas because ,well he is the undertaker and knows what cemeteries are known by.

Remember Well Rose, Rose Centers, Sugar Orchard all the same cemetery,no sign and you talked to him.

Did you consult him on this matter?

Also if you go to the Wolfe County roots website,and look under Wolfe County Cemeteries you will see where Shirley Brewer walked Tar Ridge Cem several years ago and find all of the same people that are listed in Tar Ridge cemetery and it is called Tar Ridge Cem. on the site.

Shirley has people buried in Tar Ridge and I believe she has taken some photos there. You could messsage her. She would know more than me or you. She has extensive knowledge of the Spencer family as well as the cemeteries in the Rogers area.

Rosemary Creech has taken many stone photos in Tar Ridge,and I believe has several memorials there as well. She would be able to give you more information than me because she lives there.

I was meaning to ask you if you had reached out to the other findagravers like Rosemary who had taken pictures and added memorials in Tar Ridge for their opinion.They are boots on the ground like you and could give you the whats what.

I think in the cemetery books in the library it is called Tar Ridge Cemetery.

I really don't know what your goal is Betty.
Findagrave put AKA Spencer. So those that know it by Spencer or by Tar Ridge are equally represented.

I am trying really hard to understand what exactly you want to happen. Do you want findagrave to get rid of the name Tar Ridge all together,and just put Spencer,or do you want Tar Ridge left alone and a new Spencer cemetery made by you. Would you then add everyone that was listed already in Tar Ridge into your cemetery or ask contributors to move them,even though they have always known it as Tar Ridge.

You are correct that Rob has many memorials listed in the cemetery,but I do too,most of them Spencers, passed on to me by the late great C. Long. I usually don't get involved in senseless naming wars, unless I have a dog in the fight and in this case I have several. I have to ask,when you made your Spencer cemetery were you going to make dupes of my Spencer memorials and tell me to move mine like you did Rob or what.I do not understand that move at all.

In the past with working with you, you always contacted the contributor and tried to get them to move them to a cemetery if they were in the wrong one.I never knew you to make a dupe if you saw there was a correction needed. So I guess this is another reason I am continuing this discussion. If people start the trend of changing names rightly or wrongly of a cemetery and then duplicate everyone in the old named cemetery,there is going to be a mess of epic proportions,with family links going every which way but lose. I'm just saying......

Anyway I am getting tired of talking about it,at this point I am surprised findagrave doesn't just make one cemetery for Wolfe County and directions given on the memorial for individual grave sites.

It might make things easier.

Thanks Betty.

Added by Gracie Katherine on Oct 02, 2015 3:05 PM
Long Black Veil
Charles King/Emory Clay King

I don't have a memorial under the name of Charles King. I believe you meant Emory Clay King. I moved Emory C King, from the Horton cemetery to the Drake Cemetery on Sandy Ridge.

I am finding many of the names have changed on cemeteries in Wolfe and Menifee Co. KY. Not sure who is doing this, or why, but its going to cause a mess on Find A Grave. And a mess when people are looking up in in old records or newspapers. A cemetery name should always remain the same, it doesn't many how many people with the same surname is buried in that Cemetery, the old name should remain the same.

I think in order to changed the name of a cemetery, it should be the same process as adopting a child almost.

Added by Long Black Veil on Oct 02, 2015 10:46 AM
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