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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
http://fox4kc.com/2014/08/21/thieves-strike-cemetery-take-off-with-100000-worth-of-bronze/
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 79,000 ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am now selective as to which memorials get sent edit updates as I don't like being used by people who have zero intention of ever researching the memorials they are not related to but who refuse to transfer them out. Also, the "new" FAG edit system is extremely time consuming with having to fill out several sections on the same memorial which eats up my research time. So I will no longer send edit updates to anyone 1) strictly adhering to FAG memorial transfer "guidelines" will no longer get my edit updates (or my transfers). If someone is not related to a memorial and did not do the research to find the information on the memorial (other people sent in edit updates) there is no reason not to transfer non-relative memorials to current ggg grandchildren or even to a cousin willing to do research. 2) Anyone with no comments on their page because deleted them or comments not allowed on page will not receive edit updates. 3) Anyone forcing people to get permission to use their photos will not get edit updates.I worked much harder to find that information than it took to drive to a cemetery and snap a cell phone photo. If I don't force people to give me permission before using information I find, I don't expect someone to force me to get permission to use a simple photo. They are not Picassos. 4) Anyone who states they don't want death/birth certificates, obits,etc posted to "their" memorials will not get edit updates.

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the McLean, Radel, Udell, Sayles, Madson, Decker, Quick, Handy, Woodring, Andersons ...too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify the relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry on-line subscriptions from ancestry.com USA, ancestry.com International, Archives.com, Geneologybank.com 3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on an excel spreadsheet as might have to contact them again on another ancestor) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG so it would be on the internet. Until someone posts it on ancestry.com, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I poured over free on-line ancestry by surname books and purchased many books on families when I could find them.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I poured over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I sent thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo or take it on as a history project and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked. I also purchased ancestry books on-line - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2014 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 67,900 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all the family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends ....but so rewarding when the family ancestry members finally fit together.

TIP 1: Buy a death certificate - it tells you where the person is buried (or cremated) & verifies parents. Sometimes this is the only way. Buy from the COUNTY - not from the state and NEVER buy on-line (way too expensive). Google county person died in and death certificate. Ex: Kent County Michigan death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of them...to find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore ancestry.com's suggestion of leaving the last name blank on women whose maiden names are unknown. ALWAYS put the husband's surname...BUT ..make it small letters. Example. If Susan is married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until you find her maiden name. When ancestry.com hints show a father for Susan as Tom Jones..you automatically know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means that is her husband's last name. Having jones as her last name helps the computer match to the correct Susan instead of leaving the last name blank and getting tons of different last names.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) and the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) and the name of my mother's parents - that is it. I never met my dad's father and didn't even know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

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http://www.searchforancestors.com/utility/birthday.html

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RE: Record a grave
No, contributors do not give up their copyright. The photos are licensed using the Creative Commons 3.0 Attribution License:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/

The original photographers retain copyright. Actually I took the majority of the photos.

There is no money being made from these photos (except by FindAGrave through ads etc).

-Jon
Added by recordagrave.com on Dec 25, 2014 5:11 PM
Mary Downing-Mahan (gravehuntermary)
Christian Zehring
The card you attached is confusing. Dates match except I had birth date of 1750. The cemetery does not match. He is buried at Hill Grove, that is where I took the photo. Name spelling different also. Could be someone else.....My great grandpa and another baby boy born on same day, named the same, same town. Both died 1 day apart. Could this be the case Here? HELP LOL
Added by Mary Downing-Mahan (grave... on Dec 24, 2014 6:19 PM
Candy
RE: 59571994
Thanks for the vote! I will not delete my memorial so both will go forward.
Thanks again.
Candy
Added by Candy on Dec 22, 2014 6:20 AM
B. C. B. : :=)
Udell
I have sent you some edits for your memorials.

I read your bio. Know what you are saying. I was
surprised to fine that my Grt Grandfather was married twice. Never heard my grandfather mention his half brother and sister. Also found out about a Great Aunt when I noticed her mentioned on a birth Certificate of another Great Aunt. Still working on relatives in Africa, India, USA, New Zealand plus all the domestic ones.
Added by B. C. B. : :=) on Dec 21, 2014 3:13 PM
Todd James Dean
F. Gorrell
I'm writing a three volume book on unnatural cause in Knox County and I greatly appreciate the heads-up on the obituary you posted. Wow, I did not have that one in my book! All I can say is wow. Thank you again and I wish you and your family the best holiday season.
Added by Todd James Dean on Dec 19, 2014 8:40 PM
Tiffany Stuck
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 10504271
10504271, her stone is on the pic, look, there r 2 stones tight touching each other on 1 pic. its there u can see her name Ann on it.. ty
Added by Tiffany Stuck on Dec 17, 2014 7:51 AM
mourninglory
Thank You
Wow info for Wilson cemetery.
Any thing you can find for this one excites me. It is said there are several buried there but unknown.
I got cards from Boyne city and added their info as poor as it was.........so if you find any thing there where i can fix names and any thing else i would be more then happy to work with you to get this cemetery fixed up some.....Thank you again...
Added by mourninglory on Dec 17, 2014 2:58 AM
Kathy Bates-Lande
RE: William Henry Bates
OK I did it.. for you.. are you a relative ??
Added by Kathy Bates-Lande on Nov 27, 2014 5:26 PM
Kathy Bates-Lande
RE: William Henry Bates
Hi,,yes I can do that.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASKING!
Kathy Bates-Lande They are my uncles,,
Added by Kathy Bates-Lande on Nov 27, 2014 4:26 PM
Ace
RE: Minnie Miller
Hi! Charles Miller: 131022839

Happy Thanksgiving to you! Ace
Added by Ace on Nov 27, 2014 3:21 AM
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