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jesse gilbert (#47841708)
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Bio Photo My name is Gwen, and I am in the pursuit of solving intriguing family mysteries. AS well as documenting forgotten children in cemeteries. There is an Art in these beautiful burial grounds and I hope to help preserve this. Feel free to use my photos. and also
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Esther Wright
RE: Margaret J Sterling request
I'm sorry! I thought it had to be the person who managed the grave site.
Was only able to meet my father's cousin Freda Kuhn Sterling, her husband, and her Mother, Margaret Hofmann Kuhn, once in 1937 on a Family trip to NJ and PA when I was 6 years old.
I remember that her husband, Wajdburg Sterling made me a ship (also a hat) out of newspaper. Great-aunt Marge wore black (in mourning) and to me looked a bit frightening -- I guess I appear frightening to some of my younger family members now.
Esther Wright
Added by Esther Wright on Aug 16, 2016 5:16 AM
Esther Wright
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)
Thank you so very much for uniting Margaret J Sterling's grave with those of her parents, Jesse!
Gratefully,
Esther Wright
Added by Esther Wright on Aug 16, 2016 4:51 AM
Esther Wright
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)
RE: Sterling, Margaret J (Find A Grave # 124564780)

Dear Jessie Gilbert,

The above mentioned grave is that of a cousin-- (her Grandmother Margaret M. (Hofmann) Kuhn is my Greataunt whose daughter Freda M Kuhn) Sterling #77008784 is my father's 1st Cousin (my 1st Cousin once removed). I would liked this Infant Margaret June Sterling to be united with her Family on Find A Grave. Could you accomplish this for me? According to the Baby’s death certificate (Ancestry.com) she was a premature who died at 6 days of age in Morrisville Bucks County PA March 29, 1916 and was buried in Riverview Cementery, Trenton, NJ on March 30, 1916.
Her parents are Waldburg C (#77008782)and Freda M Sterling (#77008684). Her Grandparents are Waldberg J. Kuhn (#49234442) and Margaret M Kuhn (#49234451).
Thank you in advance for uniting this Family.

Esther Wright (#24656849)
Find A Grave member for 15 years, 9 months
Contact: ewright210@aol.com

FYI:
Infant: Sterling, Margaret J #124564780
b. 1916 d. 1916 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: jesse gilbert
Record added: Feb 03, 2014
Find A Grave Memorial# 124564780

Mother: Sterling, Freda M #77008684
b. 1889 d. 1952 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Judy Ryan
Record added: Sep 24, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 77008684

Father: Sterling, Waldburg C. 77008782
b. 1886 d. 1975 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Judy Ryan
Record added: Sep 24, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 77008782

Maternal Grandmother: Kuhn, Margaret M. 49234451
b. 1861 d. 1946 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Maintained by: Esther Wright
Originally Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Mar 06, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 49234451

Maternal Grandfather: Kuhn, William J. 49234442
b. 1859 d. 1935 Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Maintained by: Esther Wright
Originally Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Mar 06, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 49234442

Paternal Grandfather: Sterling, Capt Robert 19974148
b. unknown d. Mar. 26, 1908 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Gregory Speciale
Record added: Jun 19, 2007
Find A Grave Memorial# 19974148

Paternal Grandmother:
Sterling, Elizabeth Barlow 60194445
b. 1856 d. 1929 Buried: Riverview Cemetery
Trenton
Mercer County
New Jersey, USA
Created by: Scott Balyer
Record added: Oct 16, 2010
Find A Grave Memorial# 60194445



Added by Esther Wright on Jul 21, 2016 7:19 PM
Marianne
RE: 80517667 Jennifer Wheaton
Hi Gwen, sorry I have no idea as to who Jennifer Wheaton's parents are. I would think that there is a good chance that they are still alive as jennifer was only 9 years old when she passed away.
Have a good day - - Marianne
Added by Marianne on Jul 06, 2016 8:18 PM
Starfishin
RE: Fisher obituary
I was a little worried I'd lost you in the information avalanche! Glad all in well...
Added by Starfishin on Jun 21, 2016 2:01 PM
Dawn Faulkner
RE: Amos Wheaton
Hello Gwen,
I did take a picture but when I uploaded it the dates were different. My Amos Wheaton born 1854 and died 1921. on find a grave the Amos Wheaton was born 1820-1900 and i noticed someone already put up a pic for the Amos I have I looked around quickly next time i am there I will look for your Amos. I didn't even have him on my list but my mothers maiden name is Wheaton and I took the picture thinking i would find a connection. Sorry for the mix up. Dawn
Added by Dawn Faulkner on Jun 21, 2016 6:41 AM
Starfishin
RE: Ruth fisher
This is an interesting question.

Obituaries that have a byline [that are written by a reporter at a newspaper] are protected by the newspaper's copyright and shouldn't be posted. Paid obituaries, which most obituaries are, and obituaries posted by the funeral home, have less stringent and more unclear copyright protections.

It all gets a little fuzzy here. Find A Grave is a for-profit enterprise staffed largely by unpaid volunteers. Copyright owners are most apt to get upset about copyright infringement when it's done by a for-profit entity, as they tend to think "where's my cut of the dough?" But the idea that the copyright for an obituary that was paid for by the family can be owned by the newspaper or the funeral home is a little less clear legally and a whole lot less clear ethically. But let's put that aside for a minute.

Copyrights do expire, and written works can fall into what's known as the public domain. There is also something called fair use of copyrighted material.

According to the U.S. Copyright Office, “A work of authorship is in the ’public domain’ if it is no longer under copyright protection or if it failed to meet the requirements for copyright protection. Works in the public domain may be used freely without the permission of the former copyright owner. This includes:

Articles published before 1923.
Articles published between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice.
Articles published from 1923 through 1963 with a copyright notice but where the copyright was not renewed.
Articles published between 1978 and 1 March 1989 without a copyright notice and not registered within five years of publication.

What you can't or must be careful about using: Articles published 1 March 1989 to present. Because of changes in copyright law these are all covered by copyright for 95 years after publication.

This is complicated further by the fact that while the newspaper may contain a statement saying the entire contents of the paper is copyright as a collective work, that's often not the case. News services like AP may hold the copyright to certain articles, as may advertisers including families and funeral homes.

Another thing to know: FACTS cannot be copyrighted. As the U.S. Copyright Office says: “Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.”

Now we come 'round to Fair Use. In US copyright law the Fair Use doctrine states that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, research and scholarship, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder. "Research and scholarship" would seem to cover the intent of many Find A Grave memorial contributors.

Four things are taken into consideration when determining Fair Use:
The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes.
The nature of the copyrighted work.
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole.
The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The social usefulness [and obituaries sure are socially useful!]of freely available information can weigh against the appropriateness of copyright for certain fixations. Using most or all of a work does not bar a finding of fair use, but it is by no means clear that social usefulness permits every case of full or extensive quoting from a work. The courts to tend to favor the fair use of written information where the copyright owner, or possible copyright owner, is properly acknowledged -- so credit your source [the newspaper or funeral home, not the person who sent it to you -- although we folks don't mind a little credit too].

Assuming you're still with me -- I've had to stop and get a cup of coffee myself -- how does this apply to Find A Grave and the use of obituaries?

Find A Grave, as a for-profit entity, is aware of the potential pitfalls of copyright law. And they've basically created a Wild West with thousands of unpaid independent contractors making and enforcing their own interpretations of the law. Find A Grave own policy on posting "obituaries" is vague, and has gone through several iterations. There are only two things they are clear about: Don't post obituaries with a by-line [written by a reporter,] as those are clearly copyrighted. And don't include in any posted obituary the names of living family members [which strikes me as odd -- the names have all ready been made public by printing the obituary, and can usually be found on the internet as well. It's my guess that family members have complained to Find A Grave when they have gotten into disputes with managers of memorials -- some of them are quite rigid, refusing to transfer a memorial to a cousin named in the obituary because it falls outside of Find A Grave transfer guidelines -- or when they find out a memorial to a loved one has been created by a stranger.] There's an obvious drawback to omitting the names of "living" family members, as it makes it harder to connect the dots a few years down the road, when some of those folks now have obituaries of their own.

So should you post an obituary on a Find A Grave memorial? Arguably posting a paid newspaper obituary [which most obituaries are] is fair use. Probably posting a funeral home obituary, with proper credit, is a bit better as they've put the information out there presumably to benefit the family [you'll note that many newspapers and funeral homes have cut deals with Legacy to post obituaries on that site. I'm pretty confident no families were consulted about this decision.]And posting an obituary in its entirety makes sure important facts don't get left out.

If you want to be firmly within fair use, you can do an extraction: extract the facts from the obituary ["Joe Jones was born on Tuesday, May 2"]and for the things that are more personal or subjective ["Joe was never happier than when he slapped on a pair of water wings and was floating in his pool with his pet pig Mirabelle"] you can quote the obituary ["Joe was never happier than when he slapped on a pair of water wings and was floating in his pool with his pet pig Mirabelle," his obituary said.] and then post it all on the memorial. Be sure to credit the original source [Information extracted from Joe Jones' obituary, Palooka Times, June 17, 2016, page 6.] Writing a good extraction takes work, which is why, I think, most folks tend to just post the obit.

A final thought: tributes that are printed in places like newsletters ["the Garden Club morns the death of our favorite flower"] typically aren't explicitly copyright. No matter the copyright status, I've found that such organizations are happy to see their tribute receive a wider audience through Find A Grave.

Hope this helps a little -- sorry I can't offer you a cup of coffee as you make your way through this!
Added by Starfishin on Jun 19, 2016 10:46 AM
Ginger Lashley
RE: tryphena Lee
I have the entire plot photographed that I will upload soon. You are very welcome!
Added by Ginger Lashley on May 16, 2016 6:54 AM
Curtis Jackson 🖋 📚 💻
RE: Jarena Lee
I don't know what the A stands for. I think I found the burial info on a website about A.M.E. Church history.
Added by Curtis Jackson 🖋 ... on Apr 25, 2016 2:12 PM
Michael Hague
Unknown Lee # 139067735
Gwen, All information for Bethel Burying Ground memorials entered by me were supplied by Terry Buckalew, local historian of the cemetery. I have no additional information on this person.

Added by Michael Hague on Apr 23, 2016 9:51 PM
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