|Robert David Miller (#47262294)|
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Live in Mount Carmel,Pennsylvania. Trying to find other family members of Harold Siebert Miller(father),John Siebert Miller(Gf),William Miller(Ggf)Lafayette Derr(MGgf),Israel Derr(MGGgf),John William Boyer(MGf), Joseph Boyer(MGGf). Also related to the Weikels, Kerstetters and Updegrove(sp?) |
As for changing incorrect information, I am happy to do so. I am also willing to transfer any of my memorial, for I am running out of time.
PLEASE feel free to visit my "Lost Little Angels" & "Lost Angels" Virtual Cemeteries anytime and leave them a Token and Note. These children & adults are lost in time because they have no headstone to tell us where they are buried in a cemetery or even on a family plot. My own twin brother and sister, Daniel & Nancy Miller, are a part of this group. So is my Maternal Great Grandmother. Records usually don't help, they simply say yes, they're buried here, but where, we don't exactly know. Just remember, you may be the only other person beside myself to visit a "Lost Little Angel" or "Lost Angel". Some of these lost children may not even have a living ancestor,"PLEASE VISIT THEM". Thank You from the bottom of My Heart.
For those memorials that have the phrase "Date obituary appeared in the paper," the paper I am referring to is one of the following from Mount Carmel, Pennsylvania, United States:
The Weekly Item
The Semi-Weekly Item
The Mount Carmel Item (their daily paper)
The Daily News
The obituary you seek, will be somewhere in one of these Mount Carmel papers, depending on what date they were published. Do not be disappointed if the obituary has very little information written in it, some were very short in content and some only mentioned the name. Reporters constantly spelled names "phonetically", which can change the actual spelling of a persons' name very dramatically, so be very aware of this fact. I tried my very best not to make mistakes but sometimes, I had little information to work with. I may have placed someone in the wrong cemetery, spelled the name incorrectly, connected two family members together who were not husband & wife and things like that. For this, I am truly sorry, I'm only human and humans make mistakes.
UPDATE: September 16th,2015.
It is with a very heavy heart, that I must write the following. For 12 years, I read 104 years of local newspaper so that I could make a personal obituary database. I have also now walked through 14 different cemeteries in the local Mount Carmel, Pennsylvania area and completely photographed every headstone I could find in each cemetery. I have taken over 40,000 photos and used them on my own memorials and placed them on other memorials as well. I have also uploaded thousands of "Lost Little Angels" & "Lost Angels" memorials for those individuals who have no headstone to tell us where they are buried.
In my attempt to help mankind, I began to upload my personal database of over 50,000 names. This is when I ran into a problem, for which I asked Find-a-grave for advice on how to solve it. I have received an answer and I will abide by that decision. In principal, I agree with the advice but I feel they have left mankind down. You see, while using my obituary database as my guide for making a memorial, I hit a snag. Thousands of the obituaries did not include a burial site and there in lies the problem.
I found a solution I thought. There is a link I used that states "Unknown Burial" and it seemed to solve my problem. I began to use it but then it was disabled for "excessive use" and this is when I contacted Find-a-grave. I can no longer us it, which is why I'm writing this to you, my fellow genealogist, to forewarn you of a major problem you will face.
I am running out of time to upload my entire database and I just wanted to tell you this fact. There will probably be over 5000 names of people, mostly from the Mount Carmel area, that will not be posted onto this site because of the lack of a burial site to place them. For this, I am truly sorry. So if you can not find an ancestor, they very well may be one of the thousands I could not upload. I will probably be unable to finish uploading my database as well, before my time to work on it runs out, please forgive me.
So I leave you with this final question, whether it's right or wrong to ask. If you were searching for a family member and could not find them, which of these two scenarios would you choose? Would you want the information about the person posted, even tho they may be buried in the wrong cemetery on the memorial? Or would you want the information not posted at all, so that you never find your relative? Interesting question I believe, tell me what you think.
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|Chris Hubley||RE: your siblings Robert Miller|
Robert, if you are capable of travel and would like one day to go to the one cemmie to check for your missing members, I would be happy to take you myself. My Kerstetters are the same area originating areas. I cannot recall my great great grammams first name. She had many children- Cora, Liberty, Harrett, Penn, Jane... there were I think 9 surviving past infancy. You may email me directly any time (I check email here n there)email@example.com; of may find me on Face Book.
|Chris Hubley||your siblings Robert Miller|
have you checked the Shamokin Cemmie, up to the far left. There are a number of youngsters and infants there. I visit them as often as I can.
|Chris Hubley||Laura Bridy|
I am trying to figure out Laura Bridy's actual relationship to Ed Bridy. Listed as father and brother. Ed is my father. I didn't have much time with him, only after I became an adult and he passed in 2015. I am maternal side tho a Kehler Williams Kerstetter.
|marelle44||RE: Vernalis Family|
Well, I guess you have to do what makes you happy. That's what's important in the long run.
|marelle44||RE: Vernalis Family|
You know Robert, there are other sites where you can record burials. Did you ever think of trying any of them? As for the library, the sure did make it seem as though you had given it to them. They even stated that it was copyrighted:
"The Mount Carmel Area Public Library Obituary Index and Military Information was compiled by Robert Miller from his reading through newspapers from 1860 to 1963 covering our service area. An act of love done to the best of his ability, the index may still be incomplete or incorrect. Mr. Miller compiled this index for the Mount Carmel Area Public Library and it is copyrighted material."
Were they thinking they had the copyright?
|marelle44||RE: Vernalis Family|
Wow! I had no idea. The Library made it seem like you gave your list to them.
As for the grave stone photo, I'm sorry you threw all your photos out. I think I'll just have someone else take a photo for me if I can.
I went to the Mt. Carmel Public Library site and saw that you have given them your data base so that people can search it on line. How very, very generous of you! I know; Find A Grave is a stickler about being a grave registration site and not a genealogy site. I have a great grandmother who I know was buried in a certain cemetery. Her grave stone, if she had one was probably destroyed in the 1930s when the cemetery was hit by a horrible tornado. I can find no proof that she was buried there so I can't create a Memorial for her.
Concerning the Memorial for Dominick J. Vernalis, St. Joseph's Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57725127) on which you placed a photo of the grave stone of his mother Agatha and his brothers Peter, John, and Joseph. I have been researching this for several days and have found that Dominick does have his own stone. There is a picture of it on ancestry.com, but I can't post it to Find A Grave because it's not my photograph. The most I can hope for is that you have a photo of Dominick's stone and will be kind enough to post it to his Memorial in place of the stone that is now there or that I can find someone in the Mt. Carmel area who will take a photograph of the stone and post it on his Memorial. The stone has "Dominick J. Vernalis, Died September 17, 1970" on it.
Thank you so much for all the help and suggestions you gave me with this and for being so generous to share your hard work with others.
What a super idea, Unknown Section! Your Lost Angels and Little Lost Angels Virtual Cemeteries are also great. I can't imagine how you found the time to do all you have done on this site. It's so helpful to others.
Adam Vernali, the father of the Vernalis sons I am asking about is listed in your Lost Angels Virtual Cemetery and I had seem him before listed under his obituary name. I'm theone that sent you the bio on him and the correct spelling of his name. I just wonder if he is buried near the rest of his family or somewhere else. He died quite a bit before the rest of them and probably does not have a stone.
Thank you for your assistance with this.
|marelle44||RE: Vernalis Family|
Thanks so much for your response and for letting me know about the “Unknown Section”. I had no idea Find A Grave had such a listing. You don’t happen to know if St. Joseph’s buried allowed or performed the burial of two people in one grave, do you. If they did, this would lead me to speculate that the double stone with the four names on it was the burial of four people in two graves and would mean that Dominic J. Vernalis whose name is not on the stone is not buried there, but probably somewhere else near there.
Thanks again for your response to my questions.
I see that you live in Mt. Carmel and have photographed some of the gravestones of the Vernalis family, a family that I am currently researching.If you ever get back to St. Joseph's Cemetery, I would appreciate your checking into something for me. I am unsure if Dominic J. Vernalis (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57725127) has a gravestone. Your photo of the gravestone of his mother Agatha Vernalis and three of his brothers, Peter, John, and Joseph is on his Memorial, but I do not think he is buried in the graves represented by that stone. I believe his grave may be to the left and behind that stone. Additionally, John Vernalis seems to have his name on two stones, the one above and another smaller one (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=57724967). I have a copy of a sales receipt for perpetual care for 4 graves in Block 33, Lot 16 that was purchased by Dominic J. Vernalis. I also have a cemetery layout of the graves, but I wish to verify what is actually on the ground and where the graves are in relation to each other. If you will email me your email address, I can send you the two copies as attachments so you will understand what I am talking about. My email address is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Also, if Dominic J. Vernalis has a gravestone, I would appreciate your photographing it and uploading it to his Memorial (link above).
Agatha Vernalis'husband Adam Vernalis is also buried in St. Joseph's Cemetery, but I don't know the location of his grave. If I can find where he is buried, I'd love to see one of your photographs on his Memorial as well.
Thanks you so much and thank you for the wonderful photographs you have uploaded to Find A Grave.
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