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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 90,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am tired of feeling used by memorial managers who don't do their own research. I no longer send edit updates to 1) FAG memorial owners who require people to get permission to use their photos. If my data is freely given, so should photos. 2) FAG memorials who strictly follow the FAG transfer rules. People who do not research their own memorials don't transfer - just take and I don't support this. 3) FAG memorials with owners who remove the ability of people to make comments on the comment page. If so many people write nasty comments that comments are disabled, it raises flags about the memorial owner

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from USA; International;;;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If hints show a father for Susan as Tom know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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B.J. Waters
Laraine Hoffnell
Hello! I noticed your photo request. For the life of me, I don't know why I didn't add the headstone photo. I will look on my home computer tonight after work and see if I have one and if not, I will go out this week and get one.

Added by B.J. Waters on Aug 03, 2015 4:29 PM
claire a
Claire a (#47290586)
This is my number you asked for in regards to transferring Allen Shea
Added by claire a on Jul 31, 2015 10:24 PM
s schmidt
Sorry going by her husband's obit. Was she married before?
Added by s schmidt on Jul 31, 2015 4:39 AM
Danny Wilber
Phyllis Miller
You said there was two memorials. I can't find them. I have mine . But can't find the other one. If there is two and mine is after the other one I will take mine off. Please send me the other memorial for her . Thank you.
Added by Danny Wilber on Jul 25, 2015 10:48 AM
Ken Manery
Meddaugh - Middaugh and various spellings
Both spellings are correct - I have researched the line since about 1980. A Jack K. Middaugh has written a couple of books on Middaugh's - All spellings of the last name. The Original was Middag, from the Netherlands and has been changed many times over the years.

It appears that because many could not read or write in the early times there name was spelled as it sounded to the author
Added by Ken Manery on Jul 25, 2015 8:05 AM
Samuel Zehring/Solomons
I put the wrong picture on there and it claimed your request. I am sorry about that, but, please do not request it again and waste a request on my mishap. I will go back out there and get it next week.
Added by Shock on Jul 24, 2015 6:22 PM
claire a
Allen Shea
Allen Shea
47290586 This is my number for Allen Shea transfer, Thanks Claire
Added by claire a on Jul 20, 2015 3:09 PM
Larry Nolen
RE: Willie Ennis
I did research him but did not find a death certificate. His marriage certificate has his first name as Willie, not William! I searched again and found his death certificate this time and that shows his name as William, as you stated. I, too, am not in the habit of posting misinformation so that is why I prefer to have something to substantiate a claim, not just hearsay.

I have had people try to tell me that dates in a family bible trump headstone AND death certificate dates! Without knowing by whom and when the bible record was made, it, too, may very well be wrong.

Thank you for bringing the corrections to my attention. I have re-edited the memorial to your initial corrections.

Added by Larry Nolen on Jul 15, 2015 5:14 PM
Larry Nolen
Willie Ennis
I accepted your changes for the subject memorial, however I am changing his first name back to Willie as I have found no evidence that his first name is William.

Added by Larry Nolen on Jul 15, 2015 11:18 AM
Anonymous IV
Joseph Dustin photo request
I found a marker with the name "Dustin J. St. Charles" the area of the plot you listed. The death year also matched. Might this be the person you are looking for?
Added by Anonymous IV on Jul 05, 2015 7:51 PM
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