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history4sure (#46997739)
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Bio Photo I am willing to transfer any memorials which are not my ancestors or relatives and will try to help anyone with information or research. I think it is important to identify persons, when possible, so we can know who they are and who their families are, for historical and personal reasons.
2015 Update:
Sixty six years ago I started looking for lost graves as Grandma sent me, at age 8, to find "the indention by the pine tree, near great great grandpa's headstone" so she could place flowers where a baby was buried in 1869 with no "marker". From her, I learned to look for that tiny "frosted" spot when the night before had been chilly (the ground is still warmer at a burial site which has no vault, even after 100's of years!)
I first knew grief when Grandma died, 59 years ago. To honor her, I began genealogy research from her precious family records. Fifty four years ago the death of my young first husband, at the hands of robbers, nearly caused the loss of my first unborn child. Years later, a miscarriage took another son and now, for the past 30 years, we have also grieved for our youngest son, lost to a freak accident. Brad
Writing personal histories has been a passion for nearly 40 years, since I found my relationship to Mormon Battalion soldiers and an early U.S. President.
Being an unpaid cemetery sexton for the past 24 years has required mapping and recording (handwritten) of over 3,000 birth & death locations and overseeing burials and settings of gravestones for some 750 persons. During this time, the birth and death records from 1854 at one cemetery and from 1869 to date, at another, were located and recorded; exact grave locations had never been written down for 155 years! I'm still hand drawing family lot maps for the latter cemetery for all owners.
For about 30 years, I have composed poetry and short stories about loved ones' passing, both for my own and others.
So, am I a "graver" ?, a "griever", a "genealogist", a "historian", a "sexton", a "poet" or just kind of "nutty"?? (We ALL could have, instead of this, been lounging on "sum beach sum where", ya know!)
Anyway, I feel sad when an unkind remark is posted, or it is stated that Find a Grave was designed for one purpose and that "newcomers", who want to use it for genealogy, or some other reason than it was originally intended, should go elsewhere. I hope it is intended to help us all find burial locations, which should include photos, dates, and family links, if possible for proper identification.
Short bios also help identify specific individuals and search data sources can help us verify the positive location. That is why I believe that a gravestone, with poor or misinterpreted information, should be supplemented with the best historical facts available, if possible. After all, it is Find a Grave, not "Find a Stone". Sometimes, nothing else is available, but that is a sad case; unknown, with unknown dates does not tell us much, especially when there is no stone or it is illegible.
I hope to help & will gladly transfer, edit, delete or correct anything I contribute; I'm slow, but I'm OLD, please have patience!


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I am grateful AGAIN to Love Always, Renee for the sponsorship of my beloved Daddy - what a generous contributor she is...check out her loving memorials!


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Grave Maven
No, thank YOU!
Hi Shirleen,
Yes, that is my granduncle. Small world! I am in touch with my Billis cousins in Utah. There is quite a bit to my grandmother's story, and of course even more speculation, since she died long before I was born. Waaaaay too much to get into on public messages.. Thank you so much for leaving tokens on my memorials. Always, Karen
Added by Grave Maven on Apr 25, 2015 3:36 PM
Richard Rieck
Experience Call Jolly marker
As you are likely aware, Experience Call Jolly died in Omaha, Nebraska while en route to California. Because Omaha is on the Missouri River it is possible that her remains were shipped back to Darlington, Wisconsin. There is also a fairly good chance she was simply buried in Nebraska and the stone in the Fayette Cemetery is, therefore, a cenotaph or memorial marker. Such cases are quite common when overland travel to California was concerned. Do you have any information on whether the photo is of a tombstone or cenotaph?
Added by Richard Rieck on Apr 25, 2015 3:25 PM
Chesnut/Behunin Descendant
RE: snow
Shirleen any request you have send it to me.
I ALWAYS have a list of mine I need to search, I will add yours to mine.
If I have yours with mine, I may actually do mine and not the VP's first, then I wear out and do not actually get to mine.
I have some in the Park and West areas. I am just REALLY DRAWN to the lower section {kick out I and E both of those terrify me and I have been in both this batch booo}. I literally ignored 2 of them yesterday overwhelmed and knowing they would not have stones and I have these current ones to clear before I add another dozen ns [no stone] searches. I stopped by one of my adoptees and had to dig her out. the stone was full buried below 3 inches of dirt. one of my returns is one row East of her.
M-L-S and U will catch me every single time. I can almost go right to them. Almost.
There is a marathon blocking roads around there today. My hubby was called out before he could let me know where but they are usually done by noon and that will be how long it takes me to sort through or TRY to sort through yesterdays no stone, I have to return for 3 Already.
There is a house up there with an Estate Sale. I am thinking I want to stop there. I might get lost there and not accomplish anything else.
As long as I have ONE Claimed, I rarely think of anything but finding that one, so I have to go for that one.

Added by Chesnut/Behunin Descendan... on Apr 18, 2015 9:45 AM
Maureen Farrell
RE: 39647265
You're very welcome..glad the info was of use
Added by Maureen Farrell on Apr 18, 2015 8:54 AM
Messed up Token
Dear Shirleen ~

Wow - thanks for all the info on the "token" caper. I too noticed it on several of my memorials, but wasn't sure which token they replaced.

I hope they don't do this often and I wonder how things will change on this website, which I love so much, that is now owned by

I hope it always remains a free - public forum.

Have a great weekend :)

Added by gwtwqueenie on Apr 17, 2015 6:09 PM
Forget Me Not Flower by F.A.G.
Hi History4sure,

I saw your post on Sgt. Manno's memorial about F.A.G. replacing certain "tokens" with the "forget me not" flower.

This happened to me on certain memorials and I wondered what happened. Your note now explains it to me. Why would they do this?

Added by gwtwqueenie on Apr 16, 2015 6:54 PM
Chesnut/Behunin Descendant
your stawker
Hey you. Hope you are doing GREAT.
I ran across your message to one of the requestees I was searching for Mon and Tues. I may have freaked her out.
Yesterday up at there it was WINDY. I am talking cloud over the valley from Toole to unable to see the mountain I am on. I was literally body slammed into my truck. I have a bruise on my knee and my arm.
Traffic lights were out all over town. From State street to the Freeway on 5th S. were out. From 5th to 2nd S on 2nd W were out. I get home to the hood and every thing is power up.
Guess what??? I bring 5th W home when I stop at the store after my cemetery searches. With ALL OF the lights out, I got home faster then stopping for RED LIGHTS.
People did the 4way stop perfect all the way down and across.
Police siren passed me to cross the intersection so I turned North to back roads on 2nd W instead of 3rd.
ohhhhh. you do not know what a stop light is. They are these light the change from Red to Green to Yellow and back to Green again.
Red means stop your car. Green means Go and Yellow means go faster.
There is at least 2 in every direction around the intersection. KIDDING.
I was up at 3.30 am. My hubby was called out. Raining. Woke up at 6.35 am when he was called out and there is 5 inches of SNOW. I LOVE Snow but I STILL Have 2 searches I have already been to Twice as of Yesterday 1 more I have been to once already. I know do not have stones and IF I can keep my Map coordinating with the field I can find them right down to the blade of grass. or should I say snowflake.

Did You guys get Snow?????
Added by Chesnut/Behunin Descendan... on Apr 15, 2015 12:08 PM
Thank you.
Thank you for the interesting read on Capt. George Cannon. I'll have to do some updating when I get a minute. Thanks again!
Added by Katrina on Apr 14, 2015 2:13 PM
DD Larsen
RE: Charles Harris
Hi Shirlene, I've never seen anything or heard anyone call him Jr. Thanks again for your help. Debbie
Added by DD Larsen on Apr 10, 2015 10:44 AM
DD Larsen
RE: Charles E. Harris
Hi, Shilene,
Thank you so much for you speedy reply. I'll make a list for you of the reasons why I do not believe Charles (the father) had a middle name.

1. His obituary
2. His death certificate
3. Several grandchildren that personally knew him and their research.
4. Newspaper article in 1989 about him.
5. Religious papers from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
6. Death certificates of his children where he is listed.

I hope that is enough. It's been a family mistake that those who have done the research on him have been frustrated with. And when we try to clear it up, those that say he did have a middle name site Find A Grave as their source. Funny huh? thanks for your help. Sincerely, Debbie
Added by DD Larsen on Apr 09, 2015 5:15 PM
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