|Jack W. Davis (#46900076)|
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|I have been doing genealogy for the past 42 years and what I have on my family history is very extensive. I am researching the names: Davis, Clanton, Woodworth, Brant, Mosbarger, Parker, Willey, Thorla, Humfreville (with variant spellings), Williams, Catron (with variant spellings, such as Kettenring), Hytche, Ingram, Alexander.|
I enjoy Find A Grave and have found that the majority of people who are contributors to it are kind, considerate, and very thoughtful, but I have come into contact with some that are not. They have memorials of people who I am related to and they are not, yet they refuse to transfer those memorials to me when I make such a request. This is inconsiderate and unkind. I do not place memorials on Find A Grave of people who I am not related to, but I have transfered some to other's if I find that they are directly descended from that person upon which I do have a memorial.
To the majority of Find A Grave contributors I say, "Continue to be kind and considerate, people appreciate it more than you know."
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Hello again, Looking through the family names you have listed in your profile, I can anticipate you descend through Emily Thorla Willey, daughter of Benjamin Thorla and Elizabeth Allen... and that this is your interest in *our* Allen family. As you are apparently a family member, I know it would be important to you to have a correct identification. As I'm sure you are aware, Elizabeth Allen Thorla was the daughter of Asher Allen and Elizabeth Palmer, Asher was the son of Phineas Allen and Alice Cady, Phineas was the son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell, Timothy was the son of Samuel Allen and Rebecca Cary, etc. I suspect we agree on this information... and that you added the memorial for a Timothy Allen thinking he was the son of "our" Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell. You are defensive of your research because this is "your" family. But, it's my family too... and I would appreciate if you were sensitive to the fact that others put a lot of effort and care into their family research too. You apparently do not directly descend from the Timothy Allen about whom we disagree. However, I DO directly descend from Timothy Allen, son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell. My mother's maiden name is Allen, so yes, I have strong feelings about having only factual information posted.
You have identified Timothy Allen (Find A Grave #21944597) as the son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell in your biography. However, he is NOT the son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell, and he does NOT have the birth information you have assigned to him. Unfortunately, the Family Data Collection has combined the information for two men named Timothy Allen, providing the birth information for one and the death information for the other as if they were one person. This has led to mayhem in the trees over at Ancestry.com, and perpetuating the misinformation here at Find-A-Grave is not helping people sort it out. Posting only factual information on your memorial would go a long way to helping other folks find their TRUE ancestry. So PLEASE, I am asking you to take your own advice listed above in your own biography... and KINDLY consider the edits. Your memorial is the Rev. Timothy Allen, born in Barrington, Bristol Co, Massachusetts (an area that was ceded from Massachusetts to Rhode Island after Timothy's birth). His parents were Ebenezer Allen (Find A Grave #74494384) and wife Hannah. His wife was Mary Bishop, and they had four documented children: Harmony, Finelah, Evangelah, and Theodamy (who is already correctly linked as the daughter of the Timothy Allen you manage).
Timothy Allen, son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell, is Find A Grave memorial #42537774. He died in Pawlet, Rutland Co, Vermont, where you will find a probate record for his will in 1810. The documented children for "my" Timothy Allen, son of Timothy Allen and Rachel Bushnell, are Capt. Parmalee Allen, Sgt. Gideon Allen, Col. Caleb Allen, Sgt. Mjr. Justus Allen, Dr. Daty Allen, Mary Elizabeth Allen Culver, Sarah Allen Allen (married 2nd cousin), and Deacon Timothy Allen. The family as written about in several historical biographies, as they were very active and well-known in the Pawlet area. And, of course, many of the historical biographies were written in the hey-dey of folks wanting to highlight their connection to Revolutionary War patriots... and this family was full of them! You should be proud to claim the correct Timothy Allen as part of your extended family. :-)
Thank you, your "cousin" Evey
Added by EveyBl on Aug 10, 2015 1:26 PM
|EveyBl||RE: Timothy Allen|
Here is what I have for the families of two different men named Timothy Allen. Where do our records disagree?
For more information on some of the family members enumerated below, please see the biography in "Pawlet Vermont: One Hundred Years," by Hiel Hollister, published in 1867.
TIMOTHY Allen - b. 1691 in Bridgewater, Plymouth, MA, d. 10 May 1755 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT - son of SAMUEL Allen and REBECCA Cary
m. 11 Oct 1714 in Norwich, New London, CT
RACHEL Bushnell - b. 27 Oct 1692 in Norwich, New London, CT, d. 23 Sep 1774 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT
Children of TIMOTHY Allen and RACHEL Bushnell:
TIMOTHY - b. 31 Mar 1715 in Norwich, d. 1810 in Pawlet, Rutland, VT - m. Sarah Parmalee - family was mentioned in biographical sketches for the Pawlet area
DANIEL - b. 2 Aug 1717 in Norwich, d. 1 Jun 1811 in Ashford, Windham, CT - m. Azuba Ladd
RACHEL - b. 10 Jun 1719 in Norwich, d. 28 Aug 1761 in Franklin, New London, CT - m. Josiah Tracy
REBECCA - b. 10 Oct 1721 in Norwich, d. 10 Aug 1810 in Hanover, New London, CT - m. John Elderkin
SETH - b. 26 Nov 1723 in Norwich, d. reportedly in Aug 1787 in Hanover, New London, CT (no documentation found) - m. Hannah Ladd - resided for a time in Mansfield, Tolland, CT
EBENEZER - b. 4 Mar 1726 in Norwich, d. 19 Mar 1812 in Westerlo, Albany, NY - m. Mary Hayward
THANKFUL - b. 3 Jan 1728 in Norwich, d. 26 Mar 1761 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT - m. Jonathan Curtis
HEZEKIAH - b. 23 Aug 1729 in Norwich, d. 26 Jan 1804 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT - m. Sarah Cushman
PHINEAS - b. 24 Jul 1731 in Norwich, d. 21 Dec 1776 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT - m. Alice Cady
Children of TIMOTHY (son of Timothy and Rachel Bushnell) and SARAH Parmalee:
PARMALEE (Capt) - b. 1746 in East Haven, New Haven, CT, d. 10 Feb 1808 in Granville, Washington, NY - m. Ann Wheeler
GIDEON - b. 31 May 1747 in East Haven, New Haven, CT, d. 12 Mar 1841 in Springport, Cuyaga, NY - m. Phebe Beardsley
CALEB - b. 1748 in Woodbury, Litchfield, CT, d. 24 Sep 1804 in Pawlet, Rutland, VT - m. Phebe Curtis
JUSTICE - b. 1750 in Woodbury, Litchfield, CT, d. unknown
DATY (Dr) - b. 1752 in Woodbury, Litchfield, CT, d. Mount Clemens, Macomb, MI - m. unknown, but at least one son
MARY ELIZABETH - b. 1756 in Woodbury, Litchfield, CT, d. Nov 1790 in Wells, Rutland, VT - m. Joshua Culver
TIMOTHY (Deacon) - b. 10 Oct 1758 in Woodbury, Litchfield, CT, d. 17 Jul 1834 in Hartford, Washington, NY (additional marker present in cemetery with first wife) - m. (1) Abigail Morse (2) Juliana Everts
SARAH - *reportedly a child of Timothy Allen and Sarah Parmalee* (records are not clear) b. abt 1758, m. John Allen (supposedly a distant cousin) - no records exist to document this relationship
HEZEKIAH - baptized as a child on 30 Oct 1762 in Mansfield, Tolland, CT, d. 19 Nov 1848 in Willet, Cortland, NY - m. Elizabeth Cummings
For more information on some of the family members enumerated below, please see "The Allen Family: Descendants of George Allen of England & Sandwich Massachusetts," by Jack MacDonald, rev. Feb 2014.
EBENEZER Allen - b. 31 Aug 1682 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. 27 Sep 1754 in Warren, Bristol, RI (Bristol Co had been ceded from MA to RI by that time) - son of DANIEL Allen and MARY Dexter
m. abt 1707 in Swansea, Bristol, MA
HANNAH (possibly Brooks, but no confirmed documentation) - b. abt 1685
Children of EBENEZER Allen and wife HANNAH (Brooks?):
HANNAH - b. 11 Apr 1708 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. 13 Aug 1778 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA - m. Rev. Samuel Peck
JOHN - b. 15 Mar 1710 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. unknown - m. Mary Kelley
SARAH - b. 18 Sep 1712 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. unknown - m. William JamesMary - b. 30 Nov 1714 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. unknown
EBENEZER - b. 1716 in Swansea, Bristol, MA, d. unknown - m. Elizabeth Bosworth
TIMOTHY (Rev) - b. unknown in Barrington, Bristol, MA, d. 12 Jan 1806 in Chesterfield, Hampshire, MA - m. Mary Bishop
NAOMI - b. unknown in Barrington, Bristol, MA, d. 2 Jul 1801 in Rehoboth, Bristol, MA - m. Abiezer Peck
NOTE: All children enumerated above were mentioned in Ebenezer's will, probated in Bristol Co, Rhode Island, on 14 Oct 1754.
Children of TIMOTHY (son of Ebenezer Allen and wife Hannah) and MARY Bishop:
HARMONY - b. 1744 in Chesterfield, Hampshire, MA, d. 22 Apr 1815 in Exeter, Otsego, NY - m. (1) Allterton Cushman, (2) Dr. William Forman
FINELAH - b. 1751 in Chesterfield, Hampshire, MA, d. 1751 in Chesterfield, Hampshire, MA
EVANGELAH - b. 1753 in New Providence, Union, NJ, d. 1753 in New Providence, Union, NJ
THEODAMY - b. 25 Nov 1755 in New Providence, Union, NJ, d. 18 Nov 1841 in Chesterfield, Hampshire, MA - m. Spencer Phelps
Note: In all probability, more children were born to this union between 1744 and 1751, but they remain undocumented.
Added by EveyBl on Aug 08, 2015 4:50 PM
|EveyBl||RE: Timothy Allen|
Also, if you are secure in your identification of the parents, why did you not link your Timothy Allen to the graves of his parents?
Added by EveyBl on Aug 08, 2015 2:13 PM
|EveyBl||RE: Timothy Allen|
Your comment on my wall was rude, whereas mine to you was not. Yes, I have been "doing genealogy" as long as you, which you would have known if you had bothered reading my profile or my father's memorial... or if you bothered pulling up some of the biographies I have provided on the memorials I manage. I sent you a link to both memorials for Timothy Allen, and asked for clarification between the two. There are MANY people who believe "their" Timothy Allen information is correct, and many of these well-meaning people have significant experience in genealogy. But, they still have settled upon contradictory information. Obviously, not everyone is correct. I am looking for clarification and CLEAR DOCUMENTATION about which is correct. As I'm sure you are aware, a "Family Data Collection" record is not sufficient as proof because they are often riddled with inaccuracies. Could you please politely provide some documentation regarding why you believe yours is correct as written?
Added by EveyBl on Aug 08, 2015 2:10 PM
|Deb Emerson||George Partridge|
Hello, I have several more generations of info to add to George # 21945422 if you would like it...TY, Deb Emerson Dragonfliesinmaine@yahoo.com ..put George Partridge in the subject line please!!
|Peggy Snodgrass||A.H. Butler|
I am looking for an A.H. Butler that was the Assessor in St. Clair County, Mo. in 1881-1882. Is there any indication that this person was there then?
|diaNEB||RE: Nellie Brant|
I will try sending the obit again. Maybe it will print out for you on another message.
Do you know how to copy and paste to Nellie's memorial page under the 'Bio" edit?
Added by diaNEB on May 30, 2015 8:48 AM
Hugh O'Neil Is my 4th G-grandfather through his son, Charles (and his wife, Martha Lowery (Lowrey), also of Wash. Co.). I have done a lot of work but cannot find proof of his (Hugh) wife's name or where he is buried and wonder if you could tell me where you found this info. I would SO appreciate it. Thanks so much. Dixie
Added by Dixie on May 07, 2015 3:38 PM
|Karen Reiser||Transfer of Mitchell great-grandparents|
Hi - I'm Karen (Devall-Mitchell) Reiser of Butte NE and I am the great-granddaughter of Charles Elmer Mitchell #36956678 and Bertha Mitchell #52324767. They are buried in the Butte Cemetery at Butte, NE.
Would you please transfer their memorials to me?
My find-a-grave #48559408.
|Karen Reiser||Transfer John Mitchell # 52330028|
Hello, I'm the great-niece of John Mitchell #52330028 that is buried in the Butte Cemetery, Butte, NE. Would you be willing to transfer his memorial to me?
My find-a-grave number is #48559408.
Thank You - Karen (Devall-Mitchell) Reiser of Butte, NE
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