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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo Thieves Steal $100,000 worth of Bronze from Cemetery
I read a lot of this theft now. This happened to my gg grandparents.

I work very hard on my research (over 90,000) ancestors) & until now have been generous in handing out edit updates. I am tired of feeling used by memorial managers who don't do their own research. I no longer send edit updates to 1) FAG memorial owners who require people to get permission to use their photos. If my data is freely given, so should photos. 2) FAG memorials who strictly follow the FAG transfer rules. People who do not research their own memorials don't transfer - just take and I don't support this. 3) FAG memorials with owners who remove the ability of people to make comments on the comment page. If so many people write nasty comments that comments are disabled, it raises flags about the memorial owner

I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the Radel;Udell; McLean;Sayles; Madson;Decker;Quick;Handy;;Anderson=too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify relatives and on numerous on-line ancestry subscriptions from USA; International;;;3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. These death certs were not found anywhere on the internet as there are several sites that provide death certs for free including familysearch...etc.

I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on excel spreadsheet) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG/internet sites so available to public. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I purchased ancestry books - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading free ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I pour over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I send thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy and veteran organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo;take it on as a history project;challenge them to post their ancestor or veteran photos and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2015 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 82,351 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends but so rewarding when it happens.

TIP 1: Buy death certificate-Majority time,it tells you where person buried/cremated,verifies parents & gives address/name of person who signed it. Sometimes only way. Buy from COUNTY-not state &NEVER buy VitalChek. Google county person died in & death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving maiden name blank if unknown. ALWAYS put husband's surname BUT make it small letters. EX: If Susan married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until her maiden name known. If hints show a father for Susan as Tom know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means her husband's surname. Having jones as her last name helps computer match to correct Susan.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) & the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) & maternal grandparent names. I never met my dad's father & didn't know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4:Birthday Calculator

Tip 5:Contribute NEW information-don't just copy other people's work - leeches are why communism/socialism always fails. More takers than contributors. Roll up sleeves/open wallet and work.

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Linda Smith
RE: John Blake Memorial
I am sorry for the mix-up. I did post the headstone for John Blake, but it was the wrong John Blake. This is the message that I received from Andrew Daft notifying me of my mistake. I have since removed the picture as requested.

"John Robert Blake #144221358
The photo you added for John Robert Blake (1920-2011) actually belongs to John E. Blake (1930-2011). Could you please remove your photo?

John E. Blake and his wife Thelma do not have memorial pages. You could create them and add your photo there."
Added by Linda Smith on Nov 16, 2015 6:06 AM
Mary Briggs
Alice Dinger
I'm adding a picture of Alice Dinger's headstone.
The picture isn't all that good but I did the best I could. It is right under a pine tree and the sap has covered one half of it. I did get some of the sap off but it still needs more work. I don't know how to get sap off but if you do, I'm willing to give it a try it summer. Mary
Added by Mary Briggs on Nov 15, 2015 4:08 PM
Doug Borgman
Herbert Dahlke
I tried adding a photo for Herbert Dahlke but it didn't show up very well. I'm going to try taking another photo and try it again. That is why your first photo request disappeared. Sorry about that. I'll get a good photo soon.
Added by Doug Borgman on Nov 15, 2015 8:35 AM
Norma Jean Petty
You have my permission to use the photo for personal, private or noncommercial use. If posted on please add

2014 by LKat on Find A Grave. Used with permission.
Added by LKat on Nov 15, 2015 5:05 AM
James Lawson
Myrtle Brokaw photo request
Their already is a photo for Myrtle Brokaw on her Find-A-Grave memorial # 62541826. It was taken by "Kelly in CT" who created the memorial. Are you requesting a new photograph?
Added by James Lawson on Nov 14, 2015 7:16 PM
Jim Davis
Edward Charles Berger - Hollywood Forever Cemetery
Alas, Edward lies in an unmarked grave. I went to the cemetery office and left with a detailed map and a specific grave location. I counted down 4 rows and then counted over 6 graves and found only grass. At least I can post a photo of his "neighbor" if anyone wants to visit in the future. Sorry for the bad news but I'm sure you know, it happens much too often! Jim
Added by Jim Davis on Nov 05, 2015 2:19 PM
Roberta The Cemetery Walker
Find A Grave Memorial# 113291223
Added by Roberta The Cemetery Walk... on Nov 03, 2015 8:40 AM
Shirley H
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 133875581
I am so sorry I removed it
Added by Shirley H on Nov 02, 2015 6:41 AM
M. Johnson
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 109680502
If you click on the headstone photo, the caption reads. (This is the only Hagerty stone in plot 2-25-9. No individual stone was found for Richard. Sorry, MJ)

If you still want it removed, I will be happy to do so. Sorry for any confusion. MJ
Added by M. Johnson on Oct 28, 2015 8:25 PM
Rosalie H. Kaufman
George Mack
I have been researching him & correcting his memorial. What a mess I made. Thank you for the info. Appreciate it! Rosalie
Added by Rosalie H. Kaufman on Oct 21, 2015 6:27 PM
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