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MWarner (#47788926)
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Bio Photo I started my family research journey in 2010 - quickly hitting the same information dead end walls all others encountered as no one had really researched the Warner family before. Also ran into dead ends in the McLean, Radel, Udell, Sayles, Madson, Decker, Quick, Handy, Woodring, Andersons ...too many to list. My family - as all families - have those dreaded dead ends where information just stops.

Quitting wasn't an option. So, I worked almost 24/7 7 days a week and spent over $5000 on death, birth and marriage certificates to confirm/verify the relatives and paid for numerous on-line ancestry on-line subscriptions from USA, International,, 3fold...too many to count - all adding up in expense but each yielding some vital bit of information that broke down those information dead ends. I poured over thousands of cemetery lists and contacted via email/phone/snail mail thousands of funeral homes and cemetery managers-anyone who might offer a lead or verify information and followed-up if they didn't respond. (keep info on an excel spreadsheet as might have to contact them again on another ancestor) I advertised jobs and paid people in other states to get obituary copies in a library who didn't offer copy services and who didn't have that obituary posted anywhere on-line or paid libraries and other services to copy obituaries that could not be found anywhere on Internet. I then posted those obits on FAG so it would be on the internet. Until someone posts it on, FAG or some other public website and/or links the names together correctly, it is NOT there to find. So your "finding' it on the internet was not the "real" research. It was the person who did the work to find it in a library or book or paid for it or had it in their family bibles and who posted it to the internet for you to find. I poured over free on-line ancestry by surname books and purchased many books on families when I could find them.

I googled (use duckduckgo, google and Ixquick search engines also) names and went through not just 1st page google search but back 2-5 pages...looking for any elusive bit of information that might be under a misspelled surname etc. Exhausting. Dull. Work.

I poured over thousands of old city/town tax records looking for relatives and for "current" property owners of land on which an old cemetery is located which has ancestors buried in it and requested a headstone photo. I sent thousands of emails to schools, college history departments, genealogy organizations, anyone who might be interested...the FAG REQUEST PHOTO website link of a cemetery (with my ancestors in it) in their specific town/city ...asking if they would take even one headstone photo or take it on as a history project and to forward my email FAG Photo Requests to anyone who might be interested. It worked. I also purchased ancestry books on-line - the cost of which adds up and spent hundred of hours reading ebook ancestry books searching for any elusive nugget of ancestry information.

Although my ancestry tree is private due to having too many death certs on it...I posted a ton of information on FAG and sent out edit updates to thousands of other FAG member memorials to help get our family ancestry out.

It is 2014 now..and I still work every day at least 8 hours a day on family research on my ever expanding mostly "fully researched" over 67,000 member tree. Fully researched means DOD/DOD/spouse/all children/cemetery and last a photo of the headstone (if not cremated)

I salute all the family researchers - it is hard tedious work to break though dead ends ....but so rewarding when the family ancestry members finally fit together.

TIP 1: Buy a death certificate - it tells you where the person is buried (or cremated) & verifies parents. Sometimes this is the only way. Buy from the COUNTY - not from the state and NEVER buy on-line (way too expensive). Google county person died in and death certificate. Ex: Kent County Michigan death certificate. Price range is $5-$20 and toss in a self addressed stamped envelop. NOTE: Buy your grandparents 1/2/3/4/5 all of find out your health history as cause of death is normally on a death certificate.

TIP 2: Ignore's suggestion of leaving the last name blank on women whose maiden names are unknown. ALWAYS put the husband's surname...BUT ..make it small letters. Example. If Susan is married to Allen Jones...then make Susan's last name jones (NOT Jones) until you find her maiden name. When hints show a father for Susan as Tom automatically know he is NOT her father because non-capitalized j in jones means that is her husband's last name. Having jones as her last name helps the computer match to the correct Susan instead of leaving the last name blank and getting tons of different last names.

TIP 3: Do NOT give up. I did this alone as none of my family on either side was interested (once I tracked some down) and the 1 who was interested was as clueless as me as to family history. I knew only my father's parents names (but not grandmother's maiden name) and the name of my mother's parents - that is it. I never met my dad's father and didn't even know my father had so many siblings. Those siblings I tracked down didn't know where their own father/mother were buried (my grandparents). If I can start from this point, so can you.

TIP 4: Birthday Calculator

TIP 5. Use your time researching your own ancestors...not posting stranger memorials on FAG. For Karma points...if I run across a full page of obits I paid for or found on line, I will use PAINT to separate the obits and post a few non-relatives to FAG. For cemeteries with a lot of the same surname...I find a active working public tree person and email them the cemetery link so they can post their own relatives to FAG. If they want to waste their time posting hundreds of non-relatives...up to them. If I don't have time to use PAINT and separate sheets of newspaper obits after I extract my blood relative...I find a public tree with the relatives on it and ask if they want me to email the obit(s) to them. They can post their own blood relatives. People get excited about ancestry research when they get a lead like an obit. It is easy to get discouraged. These emails add to your Karma Credits also.

TIP 6. Do not get bogged down with too many FAG memorials. If I post a "Karma Credit" non-relative FAG memorial...the first blood relative FAG member who is not a a hoarder who sends me edit updates, I ask that they create a duplicate memorial and if they agree and I see the dup, I delete my memorial. I only want to manage close blood relative memorials and/or lesser blood relatives I spent a lot of time, effort and money on researching and by that I mean years of research. Time is precious people...concentrate on your own blood relatives.
NOTE: Another reason not to manage stranger memorials is not only the time it takes up but the lack of information. I don't like the stress of agreeing to an edit update when I have no clue if the info is correct or not. Or if I get 2 conflicting edit update bits of info on a stranger clue as to which is correct. Jettison them. Take pride in perfecting and building your blood relatives family tree...not in the number of FAG stranger memorials you manage.
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Richard & Ardys Arnold #28966168 and #28966191
You have photo requests for these people in Michigan Memorial Cemetery. It's quite a large cemetery. You should probably call them and get a grave location if you want your request fulfilled.
Added by CarmasKid on Aug 01, 2014 10:14 PM
Share your research, for free, so it won't end up in a dark closet not to benefit anyone. I have also spent the thousands of dollars researching my family and share it freely online. Put it in a bound form and donate it to your local library.
Added by James on Aug 01, 2014 6:35 PM
Jim Kenyon
RE: Find A Grave Memorial# 80064937
Guy was doris's husband. I didn't think to check to see if he had a memorial, so I removed his military record from Doris and added it plus grave stone to Guys. He was know locally as "Guy". Jim
Added by Jim Kenyon on Jul 30, 2014 5:14 AM
Frank Ray Cook
Hi, I added a tombstone photo for Frank.I also sent you an edit with his parents numbers; his birth & death info; and burial location.Also the stone shows his middle name is Ray instead of Roy.

Thank you,
Added by LADONNA GREER COLLETT on Jul 25, 2014 7:51 AM
Carl Hagelgans photo request

Just wanted to let you know I fulfilled your photo request for Carl Hagelgans however he is buried in the South Colon Cemetery, Colon, St. Joseph, Michigan, not in the Burr Oak Township Cemetery. I have sent a correction to the manager of the memorial, she's really good about making corrections & I'm sure she'll have it changed in a day or so.

Added by Anne on Jul 14, 2014 6:26 PM
Fannie McLain
Thanks for the updates.
Added by Deb on Jul 10, 2014 8:27 PM
Kennetta Lemon
Elizabeth Squires
I have added your information to this memorial. Thank you.
Added by Kennetta Lemon on Jul 10, 2014 4:15 AM
Carl Hagelgans photo request

Could you please check your dates for this person. I show a Carl Hagelgans in The Burr Oak Township Cemetery but he was born in 1890 & died in 1954. The dates are close but not exact so I was wondering if this is the right person or two deprecate individuals.

Added by Anne on Jul 02, 2014 12:26 PM
death certificates if you sign up allows you to see the death certificate and download for free if between 1908 to 1952 in Ohio at least. May save others money to know this.
Added by LindaB on Jul 01, 2014 12:47 PM
Decker @ Oakland
Please check your edits, I added plots info.
Added by LindaB on Jul 01, 2014 12:44 PM
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