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Bonnie Bishop (#47430170)
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Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
If I find any stones, I will absolutely take pictures of them. We're having horrible weather here this week (it's still winter), but it's supposed to improve in a day or two. I'll get back to the cemetery whenever it does. I can probably cover the entire older center section in a day.
Susan

Added by Susan on May 26, 2013 9:54 AM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
Not yet. I finished all the more modern stones, but still have to finish the older center of the cemetery. I'm not hopeful of finding a stone for any of the Winters at this point, but am still trying. Most of the stones in the section I haven't done are the old family plots, and many of them are all ready on the site.

I did find a section of the cemetery where there's almost no stones, although I'm pretty sure there are burials, as it doesn't seem they're still selling plots there. Some of the few stones there date from the correct time. I'm thinking Ellen might be in that section. If so, she's in a pretty place. On a hill, overlooking a lake. I wouldn't mind being planted there.

I still have your original message, so will let you know if I have any success when I finally finish the cemetery.

Susan

Added by Susan on May 25, 2013 10:14 PM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
It's now officially saved, out of the way, where I'll really have to work at deleting it, instead of just accidently clicking.

Heading out to the cemetery again, to see who I can find.

Susan

Added by Susan on Apr 30, 2013 11:40 AM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
I don't know how familiar you are with findagrave, but if you want to change her name on her page to Ellen, just click on the "edit" link by her name, change it to Ellen, the click save.

I can't believe Cathy read you that info over the phone. I've always thought that she's a really nice person, and now you've confirmed it. Most clerks, and certainly the state, make you pay $22 for that info, and if the stuff like her maiden name is missing, you're just out $22. And the state makes you wait 6-8 months to find out you've wasted the cash.

I also wish there were section numbers in the cemetery. But if wishes were horses.....

It doesn't surprise me that the info is missing on the death certificate. I've wasted mucho dinero on certificates that aren't completely filled in. My experience is that if spouses or daughters give the info, it's filled in. If sons do, it's not. Men, right?

Anyway, I'll keep looking for the Winters graves. Hopefully at least one of them has a stone. There's really an awful lot of graves that aren't marked, which is why I add obituaries. There's also a lot of stones where the last person standing doesn't get their name on the stone. Sidney's wife might also have been buried with her family if she was a local woman. Burials are expensive, as are plots, so I guess if there's room in a family plot, people just get put where they fit. And I've just done a family where everyone has stones and dates, but they're flat stones and they're all sinking below the ground. Give it another 10 years, and they'll be completely gone from sight. And they're not even really old stones, they're from the mid-20th century. One thing about findagrave is that it's made me an expert on tombstones. I keep telling my husband what kind we can't have. He thinks I'm very weird.

Do me a favor, send me whatever info you've got on whoever you think may just possibly be buried in Pawling. I'll save it to my harddrive, where I can't easily delete it by mistake. If they're there and they've got a stone, I'll do my best to find them.

Susan

Added by Susan on Apr 30, 2013 8:44 AM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
I'm going to change Ellen Winters to Eleanor Winters and transfer her over to you. That way, if I manage to acutally locate her stone, I don't have to worry that I've lost your messages and don't know how to get a hold of you (I have a tendency to delete things I shouldn't). If I transfer her to you, I'll always be able to get a message to you via her page.

Meanwhile, another 400 or stones down, and no Eleanor. There are hundreds and hundreds left to go. I've decided Pawling is my latest project

Susan

Added by Susan on Apr 29, 2013 5:29 PM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
I'm not generous, that would entail doing something you don't want to do. I put all these complete strangers on findagrave so family can find them. If this is her, it will make my day. I should be thanking you.

It was a beautiful day yesterday, so I went down to the cemetery and looked around. It's really a hodgepodge of stones, not a single row in the older section. Obviously, I didn't find a winters stone or I would have told you. I looked at about 200 stones, and now have only another 4000 or so to go. If I find her, you'll be the first to know. And having a section number for her wouldn't be much help, since there's no posted section numbers. But if she is there, and they do give you a section number, let me know. Maybe I can find a groundskeeper who knows which section is which.

I also went to the town hall to renew my dog's license, and while there asked the clerk about getting a death certificate. She says if she has it, no problem, since Ellen/Eleanor died so long ago.

Keep me posted. I've got my fingers crossed. And if I find a Winters or a Shorts, I'll message you immediately

Susan

Added by Susan on Apr 27, 2013 8:53 AM

Susan
RE: Ellen Winters obituary
I know nothing about her, so I went looking a newspaper database, then on the censuses, and congratulations, I'm pretty sure you've found her. Although the mentions are few, they are useful. The papers mention two of Sidney's siblings, Jessie Shorts, who lived in Conn. I looked them up in the censuses, and she's on the same page in Litchfield, Conn, in 1920 with Eleanor. Also mentioned a brother Frank, who also lived in Pawling, and whom Sidney shot in the head (didn't kill him, just grazed him). There's one in every family, right? They apparently didn't like each other. Also mentioned a couple times is Oliver Ferris. No relationship, if any, is mentioned, but Sidney and Jessie visited him a couple times. Sidney apparently lived in "Ferrisdale", a section of Pawling I've never heard of before (and I live in the town of Pawling). Looks like it was to the west of the village, towards Beekman. Probably on or near what is now called Old Rt 55. From the censuses, it looks like Sidney had three kids, Helen, Frederick and Lewis. Let me nose around in the newspapers and see if the search engine brings up other info on the family using those names.

As for the cemetery, it's run by the Pawling Cemetery Association, but I don't have a clue who the trustees are. You could try calling or emailing the Thomes funeral home in Pawling, I'm sure they'll know how to contact whoever holds the cemtery records. I'm hoping to get down to the cemetery tomorrow and will see if I can find her. It's rather a rambling place, and she may not even have a stone, so don't get your hopes too high.

If Ellen/Eleanor [most probably Eleanor, she wasn't a local so they probably got the name wrong in the little death notice] died in Pawling, you can get a death certificate on her for $22 from the state or the town clerk. If (a big if) it's made out properly, it should (a big should) contain her birthdate, birth place, parents names, etc. But don't hold your breath. If whoever gave the info (probably Sidney) didn't know the information, it won't be there.

Let me nose around a little and see what else I can find. I'll get back to you

Susan

Added by Susan on Apr 25, 2013 7:26 PM

 
 

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