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Mary and Charlie Burrow (#47086746)
 member for 6 years, 3 months, 16 days
RE: Albert Vogel cem plot
I'm telling everybody how these great people in Find A Grave went out and dug up the cemetery in search of a headstone. That's what I call above and beyond! (Dare I ask if you prodded the grave sites of Albert, Christina and Rachel? Altho the cem has no record of more than 3 headstones...that may simply only be an accident of records.) Thanks much for the death cert of Julius Cimiotti. I now suspect that Julius was married to Carrie Vogel: Pa Mrg's 15 Apr 1877, Pittsburg, Julius Cimiotti and Carrie Cimiotti. (Don't you love it when they don't cite the maiden name.) Carrie's mrg cert to John T Downs state that she had a prior mrg which was dissolved by absolute divorce, for reasons of desertion. (Orig posted on Ancestry, as part of the record of John T Downs). It would make sense that Carrie would have named a child Albert; perhaps his name was Julius Albert, or Julius is incorrect, or Carrie didn't want to use the name of the man who had left her??? Tho unprovable, it seems the most likely explanation for the presence of a Gimiotti in the Vogel burial plot.
As to Jacob Vogel, it seems he died in childhood. He appears on the 1850 census for Albert (cited Alfred Fogle) but not on the 1860 census (Alfred Fogel). We may never know when he died or where he's buried.
I've made contact with the Allegheny Cem genealogist. Turns out I've worked with him before..he photographed some graves for me. I'm mailing him (snail mail)photocopies and explanations of all the pertinent documents. I suspect also two more graves at Allegheny are the children of Eliz and Edward Shannon. (Different burial plot.) He'll try to get more info on them too. Will keep in touch. Best wishes and thanks.

Added by kwilla on Apr 25, 2015 11:09 AM

Peggy Rocchio
Leo F Yates
Sincere thanks for the obit and additional information. Greatly appreciated!!!

Added by Peggy Rocchio on Apr 23, 2015 12:37 PM

Peggy Rocchio
Leo F Yates
Sincere thanks for the obit and additional information. Greatly appreciated!!!

Added by Peggy Rocchio on Apr 23, 2015 12:37 PM

Debi Burrow
awwwwww man!!!! It didn't post my ninja huggies attack just because it was inside some <>!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid puter!!!! :p

Added by Debi Burrow on Apr 19, 2015 6:33 PM

Debi Burrow
BOO!!!!!! :D

whhaazzzuuuupppp :D

Added by Debi Burrow on Apr 19, 2015 6:31 PM

RE: Albert Vogel cem plot
I didn't at first understand what photos you were referring to that had been posted. I went thru all the 10/366 memorials this a.m. and found them. Thanks mucho grande. It looks like you were busy with your garden digger! Bless you. Did you prod? By the way, the death records state that 2 other Eliz/Edward infants were buried at Allegheny Cem (ages 6 & 10 mos). I'll leave these til later..after talking to the All Cem guy. It occurs to me that the Albert Gimmiotti burial might be a total error. Only if the grave were a lawn crypt would it make any sense. I wonder if all of the 4 children who died might possibly be buried together. Perhaps they are buried in an infant section, and their names have been lost from the record. Do you know the date that Albert Vogel purchased the grave plot? Thank you again. I've contacted the funeral home who buried Carrie Vogel Downs. I should hear from them by this weekend. (The listed cem claimed she wasn't buried where stated??) That will leave only Jacob Vogel (the only other named on the census whose burial and DOD has not been found).

Added by kwilla on Apr 17, 2015 9:16 AM

RE: Albert Vogel cem plot
I spoke with Allegheny Cem this am:

1. The records were outsourced for computerization a few years ago.
These new records listed all burials within a single burial plot as Grave l. Mystery solved as to why the Allegheny Cem records site lists all of the graves as grave l.
2. I was told that the Albert Vogel plot has only 3 headstones, which would be Eliz and Edward Shannon and the unreadable Henry Vogle/Vogel military marker. So a prodding expedition would probably be fruitless. I am still somewhat astounded that there is no headstone for Albert and Christina, given Albert's notoriety and large family. I can't help wondering if it was by personal preference.
3. Most important, they are sending me via snail mail a pc of the plot; probably nothing new there. They will be enclosing a card of a man who does research for the cem (for a donation - unspecified - to the cem fund). He has the authority to change the cem records if they are shown to be in error. I will send him the death certificates for the Shannon children, etc. and we'll see what happens.
4. Re Albert's military service. It is stated in multiple sources, so it must be true. I know of no application for a military headstone. Indeed, I am unsure of his unit, etc. I have found a record for a Frederick Vogel. His birth name is Frederick(h) Albert. From experience, the army records might use the "official" name. A family Civil War vet is listed as Adolphus, although he only used Adolph after immigrating. I just can't verify his actual military record in any acceptable way.
Thanks for the kudus. Much appreciated.

Added by kwilla on Apr 16, 2015 11:20 AM

RE: Albert Vogel cem plot
There is a memorial under the name of Henry, Sec 10 Lot 366. The army headstone probably read Fogle because that was his enlistment spelling. The DOB is off by a month from the written record on Sec 10 (Lewella memorial), but the application for the headstone was not until 2 years after Henry died so the applier might have forgotten the DOD, or the written record may be in error. The on-line Allegheny Cem. records list Henry Fogle, DOD 1877,Sec 10 Lot 366. These records also list all of the Sec 10/366 as grave 1 (???). Also, this morning I linked in Lillian Shannon Rush (dau of Eliz and Edward) and husband William E. Their Death Certificates list Homestead Cem as the place of burial. I'm still trying to confirm with Homestead. No reply yet.

Added by kwilla on Apr 15, 2015 10:42 AM

RE: Albert Vogel cem plot
Aren't you something!
Going to all this work to solve the mystery. Look at the lawn photo for Henry Fogle. Enlarge it. It appears to me that there is a flat grave marker. I have a copy of a military headstone contract dated xx 29, 1879 for Henry Fogel (Pvt Co C 9th PA Res). I've entered the military info as an edit. The DOD on the application is June 27, 1877 (not April). Another document stated that the enlistment spelling was Fogle, which is no doubt why the Find A Grave memorial says Fogle. Also, the memorial states "Note: Military Grave."
On the agenda for today (after I've filed my taxes!!!)1 Call the Cemetery 2 Call a mortuary (may or may not be the right one.)Once again, thank you for all your help. I'm sure Albert is smiling.

Added by kwilla on Apr 15, 2015 8:37 AM

Albert Vogel cem plot
Hello again. Thought of something new. Henry Fogle applied for a military headstone in 1879, under the name of Henry Fogel (Fogle was the enlistment name), and the Henry Fogle memorial states that it is a military grave. Might the headstone for Henry Fogle (Albert, etc.) be grown over by grass?

Added by kwilla on Apr 14, 2015 9:42 AM

Shannons/Allegheny Cem
Thanks for posting the death cert's for Edward and Eliz Vogel Shannon. (I have the copies, but, sad to say, I still don't know how to post documents and photos.) Re Albert Vogel's plot: You've probably already figured out from the family links that Christina was the spouse of Albert; Rachel Downs and Eliz Shannon were his daughters, Edward Shannon was the spouse of Eliz.Henry Fogel (Fogel, Find A Grave memorial) is the son of Albert and Christina. On the census, Albert Vogel appears as Fogel, Fogle,Vogle and Vogel. The letter V is pronounced as F in German, which probably accounts for the misspells. I'll link in Henry today. Henry appears on the 1850 and 1860 census for Albert; on the 1900 census Christina stated that she had 11 children, 6 living. All the 6 are accounted for, and do not include Henry.
There are real problems concerning Lewella (Louella) and Lillie Shannon; I'm convinced that the names, as listed in the cem. records, are entirely wrong. See the message I left for David G Briggs (who photographed the cem record). Are the headstones for Eliz and Edward Shannon the only headstones in this family plot? I can find no link between Albert Cimmiotti and Albert Vogel.
There are many Cimiotti's (one m) buried in Sec 9; to my surprise, the Cimmiotti's were from Germany.

Added by kwilla on Apr 14, 2015 8:50 AM

Cynthia Cora (Stoop) Dyer Cramer Green
Thank you so much for transferring Cynthia's memorial to my care! I have filled in a lot of info and working on husbands' & children's links.

Added by Kaye on Apr 13, 2015 7:07 PM

Rod Williams
Mary & Charlie
This message is to express my deep gratitude for all your unselfish devotion of time helping strangers find information on their relatives and ancestors. You have found information that has been elusive to us for decades. You also provided the resources for me to be able to complete some research on my own. If at times you feel that your contributions are in vain, please keep in mind how many of us are so grateful for your skills, abilities, and generous willingness to help.

Now that I have "buttered the toast," your newest challenge is Mount Royal Cemetery in Allegheny. I believe another cemetery was combined with it; a cemetery that had to be moved. I have found death certificates that provide information that folks were buried at Mount Royal, but do not find their names listed.

Thanks, again, Mary for all your help. I hope you are not "blushing," but I wanted everyone to know that you and Charlie are more than just memorial managers.


Added by Rod Williams on Apr 08, 2015 3:00 PM

Annette Gauthier
Auld grave sites
Thanks for your work. I was able to update their Find A Grave sites from what you sent. It's exciting when puzzle pieces fit together! Annette Gauthir

Added by Annette Gauthier on Apr 07, 2015 8:15 PM

RE: Rev Voge; #122540253
Thank you for your very gracious reply. The Vogel family grouping was most interesting. I can't believe that Albert Vogel didn't have a headstone. I'll check with the cemetery re the other family members. I can identify six of the graves. I'll get back to you real soon. Still doing some research.

Added by kwilla on Apr 07, 2015 5:15 PM

Annette Gauthier
Emma Auld 25303208
Thanks for posting the photos. How did you come by the obit and the death cerificate? Are you related to the Aulds? If so, how? Annette Gauthier

Added by Annette Gauthier on Apr 06, 2015 10:19 PM

Rev Voge; #122540253
Rec'd you correction this am. You have misread the Pittsburgh news article which you posted: The news article is not a death notice, but an article re his 102nd birthday, one year before he died. Would you be interested in photographing his headstone, or that of his wife. daughter, and granddaughter also buried in Allegheny Cem. I live far away in NM. Rev Albert was an altogether extraordinary man, deserving of the greatest respect. He is my gr gr grandfather. Can you tell me why you posted the crossed American and Confederate flags on his memorial? Perhaps you were only signifying that he was a Civil War vet, but I found the image quite jarring. Rev
Vogel was first and foremost a man of God, not a soldier. On his death bed he stated, "This is the greatest day of my life." Happy Easter.

Added by kwilla on Apr 05, 2015 1:55 PM

John W. Zimmerman
Hi Mary & Charlie,

I read the marriage record and the man in that record is 16 years younger than we know Robert Lee Bowden to be in 1900, so unfortunately that other Robert is not our Great-Grandfather. Thank you for sending the information though. It could easily have been the breakthrough we are looking for.

All the best,

John Zimmerman

Added by John W. Zimmerman on Apr 05, 2015 12:49 AM

John W. Zimmerman
Mary and Charlie, Thank you VERY much for the lead. You said, "ROBERT BOWDEN AT HIGHWOOD CEMETERY
I found a marriage record for Robert and Bertha N. Engberg, married 10-15-1902 in Trumbull County, Ohio. It lists Robert's parents ad Lambert Bowden and Mary Dean. Hope this is of some help."

That's fascinating information that I will follow up on first thing in the morning. I must add that it is our (mine and my sister, Diane's) belief that Robert married Bertie C. (Price) Kearney on 1 Mar 1900 in Huntington, Cabell, WV. However we have yet to prove that Robert Bowden is "our" Robert Bowden, so the Robert on the marriage record is in the running as well. I'll let you know what I find.

Added by John W. Zimmerman on Apr 04, 2015 12:15 AM

Kathryn Cox
Maude Heberle
Thanks for the transfer and for the photos. I appreciate all you have done to help document this family. Kathryn

Added by Kathryn Cox on Mar 31, 2015 4:32 PM

Lisa Creeger Perry
Caroline Smith
Mary & Charlie, Thank you so much for the photo of Caroline's headstone. I very much appreciate your volunteer services.
Bless you,

Added by Lisa Creeger Perry on Mar 29, 2015 10:26 PM

Tushanna Boaz
Thank you SO much for the photos of Frank and Josephine Walnoha's markers. Beautiful photos, as always. We really appreciate you all and what you do for us!

Added by Tushanna Boaz on Mar 27, 2015 10:04 AM

Michael S. Caldwell
Thank you so much for photographing the Flanigan stones at Chartiers Cemetery, and also for the great obituary images you posted to the memorials! Above & beyond. Much appreciated, MSC

Added by Michael S. Caldwell on Mar 25, 2015 4:39 AM

Ann Price
Jesse Paden Grave Photo
Thank you for photographing the tombstone for Jesse Keith Paden. I appreciate the time you took to accomplish this.

Added by Ann Price on Mar 24, 2015 9:31 PM

L Evans
Lycurgus Patton
Thank you for honoring his memorial with a photo.
I really appreciate it.

Added by L Evans on Mar 24, 2015 1:24 PM


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