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Ken (#46493722)
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Diane
Floyd Bach
Hi Ken,

I have some additional info. on Floyd Bach who is buried in the the Henry D. Snoot Bach cemetery. My understanding is that Floyd was the son of Henry and Rebecca. I have some dates if you are interested. Otherwise, I would be happy to add them. I also wanted to mention that Claude Duvall Bach is my Gr. Grandfather. My grandfather was his son, Burnam E. Bach.

Added by Diane on Jul 29, 2014 11:04 AM

Cris Brown
Hey Ken
Hi Ken-- can you delete all the messages related to the transfer of your Bach graves out of the Leander Howard cemetery, it's turning up in Google searches, and this one as well please. Thanks hope all is well with you! All the best, Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Sep 17, 2013 11:40 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
Ken, glad to help out, I just knew after the took the photos of all, that yours weren't in that cemetery..and then I started worrying about missing stones. Just glad it worked out. All the very best to you, Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Jul 12, 2013 7:47 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
OK Ken,

Per your email, I have created the Henry Snoot Back Cemetery and all your listings are now posted there. I am a bit worried about photo credits as I had to copy the photo to recreate the page, and of course the flowers won't transfer. I couldn't add Ella Bach Jones to the listing for Claude, because you have control of that listing, so please do that.

I copied and printed the information to make sure I repeated your page exactly in the new cemetery. The only difference should be the cemetery name and address. Also, where you had Quicksand as the city, I didn't put Quicksand, in case you meant Noctor, but I'll transfer control over to you and if there are any corrections, you can of course do those yourself.

Finally, if you think the transfer I made is a fair copy of your work, please delete your ancestors from the Leander Howard Cemetery. There must be an easier way to do this, but I couldn't see how otherwise. Another Find A Grave flaw.

The new numbers for your kin folks are as follows, in case the transfer is confusing.
Henry D. Back #113399723, Rebecca Back #113399951, Claude D. Bach #113399890, Floyd Bach #113399922, Arthur K. Bach #113400135

All the best, Cris Brown

Added by Cris Brown on Jul 06, 2013 7:44 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
Ken-- Would you like me to create the Henry "Snoot" Back Cemetery at the Old Leander Bend Farm, across the Quicksand at Noctor, and then copy your bunch there? Then you could just delete them from the Leander Howard Cemetery. I don't mind doing the work, I think this is the easiest and best way to do this and am thankful it is only a handful of people. Just let me know, if you'd prefer to do this yourself. Sincerely, Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Jul 05, 2013 11:20 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
Ken, can you at least get this cemetery to be listed at Noctor, KY. Breathitt County just doesn't do it when new people come along to add names. Thanks. Cris.

Added by Cris Brown on Jul 04, 2013 11:56 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
Ken, I don't know how either. I guess if you started a Henry Snoot Back Cemetery for your bunch and moved them to the proper Cemetery, that'd be close enough, and I'll have to use the Cemetery correction site to get the Noctor address added. Thanks Cris, Glad we got this straightened out. I didn't want to say anything until I had actually visited the howard cemetery and made sure no Bachs were buried there.

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 27, 2013 4:38 PM

Cris Brown
Photos of the graves
Ken: I have pasted the photos of your Bach relatives tombstones on their page. Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 25, 2013 4:36 PM

Cris Brown
Please transfer Leander Howard Cemtery to me
Your Bach relatives being in the Barnett or Henry "Snoot" Back Cemetery at the Leander Bend Farm, Noctor, KY, Please transfer my GGfather's cemetery to me. Please do make the change that the Leander Howard Cemtery is on 30E at Noctor, KY before transfering as transferred locations don't seem to follow the Cemetery. Glad to get to the bottom of this for you. Thanks, Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 25, 2013 9:05 AM

Cris Brown
2 Leander Howard Cemeteries?
Good Morning, Cris.

This is a common mistake. There is only one Leander Howard Cemetery in Breathitt County. It is the one on Highway 30 East about 1 mile above the Kentucky Department of Highways Maintenance Garage. The mistake comes from the old name of the property. Duval Back and Henry "Snoot" Back and their families are buried in the old Leander Howard farm one the opposite side of Quicksand Creek from the Leander Howard Cemetery and is call the Barnett of Henry "Snoot" Back Cemetery. It is overgrown and all but six of the tombstones have been knocked down and covered with leaves. I spent about 5 hours in this cemetery digging up stones and I am not even sure I found them all.
I have attached some photos of the cemetery to give you an idea of what it looks like.

Cemetery names have always been an issue in Breathitt County. I know one cemetery that has at least 13 names depending on who is writing the obituary or giving information on the death certificate. I always try to list all of the names that I find to avoid confusion but is never really helps. There are at least 14 back-Bach Cemeteries that I know and several other that have at one point been called a Back Cemetery.

Orlando Barnes is listed on Find-A-Grave as buried in the Lazarus Bach Cemetery on Quicksand. He is not there based my three copies of the cemetery. I remember him being on the Mowbray and Robinson Company cemeteries scattered on the top of the hill in the community of Quicksand above the Miles Bach Cemetery. We have only started to copy those cemeteries and they are in terrible shape and very overgrown.

Stephen D. Bowling
Director, Breathitt County Public Library
1024 College Avenue
Jackson, Kentucky
(606) 666-5541
(606) 666-8166 (fax)
Breathitt@bellsouth.net

From: aBROWN [mailto:abrown4505@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:36 PM
To: Stephen D. Bowling
Subject: Cemeteries of Breathitt.

Dear Dr. Bowling:

I understand from reading on Facebook and the Explorer Magazine page that you are the "guru" of Breathitt County Cemeteries.

There are a couple of disputes about a couple things on Find a Grave that you may have the definitive answer to which will end the controversy as such.

1.) Are there two Leander Howard Cemeteries in Breathitt? A man on Find a Grave insists that his family of Bachs are buried there: He writes: "my great grandfather's death notice says "Burial will take place at Leander Howard cemetery on Quicksand". The Leander Howard Cemetery I am talking about is on HWY 30E off 15 at Noctor KY. It is created on the farm that Leander Howard held in his lifetime-- -- and he is resident in that Leander Howard Cemetery. I took photos of every single tombstone in that cemetery and I must say that there is not one single Bach there. It's a small cemetery with the total of 21 people buried there, none of whom are Bachs. So my question to you, Dr. Bowling, is, are there two Leander Howard Cemeteries?
2.) [ Then, if not, have you any idea where Arthur K. Bach, June 30, 1909- Nov. 14, 1914, Claude Duvall Bach 7/21/18875- 4/18/1930 Floyd Back, dates unknown, and Henry D. Bach, March 7, 1849 – Nov. 13, 1911, Rebecca Back July 22, 1850-Feb. 14 1929 are buried in Breathitt County? He's from out of state and going on what he surmises. ]
3.) Find A Grave [Find A Grave] has a problem with the listings in Breathitt County as regards what is called the Bach Cemetery - There must be 8-10 Back or Bach Cemeteries in Breathitt, it is a very popular name, especially up Noctor. I know of three myself. Find A Grave has the Bach Cemetery at Quicksand, listing also all residents of the Lazarus P. Back cemetery, which is on up the Noctor HWY 30E road, at Meatscaffold-- My paternal gGrandparents, Truesdell and the father, Byron F. Truesdell [and his infant son same name] are buried in the graveyard, Lazarus P. Bach cemetery, while my GGF, Orlando Barnes is buried on top of the hill at the Tip Top cemetery I believe, not the Bach, but it is closer than using the name generically for the Noctor burials.
4.) I know I went to Quicksand in 2012 with my aunt, Loretta Thompson, to find Orlando's grave…she told me to look for the big obelisk—for her as a small child, Orlando's obelisk must have seemed very big. Well, there is a huge obelisk in the Back or Bach Cemetery-- That cemetery is extremely well maintained, chain link fence, highly decorated, manicured grass and the other cemeteries, not so much so. My maternal ggf, Orlando Barnes, who was in the lesser gravesite, to the left of the big, well kept fenced area. Also has an obelisk, nowise as grand, and it had fallen on its side. The Cemetery Orlando is buried in is called the Hilltop cemetery, I believe. He has any number of children,: Ruby, Georgia, Willie, Myrtle and Julia Barnes. and his wife, Lula Young Barnes, buried there with him. Is that right, that it is called the Hilltop Cemetery? The smaller one on the left as you walk up. Small fence around. Buried under a tree, middle row.
5.) Before finding Orlando's obelisk, my husband walked back through there almost to the Quicksand school site, and reported that there are little graveyards all along there-- Have these various graveyards been named and catalogued?
6.) I did find this Lazarus Back burials listing on Ancestry.com [http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/COPE/2007-10/1193095351] That in no way seems to persuade anyone.

Anything you could tell me would be much appreciated. Obviously, I am relying on my memory somewhat and would like to be as accurate as possible. Thank you.

All the best to you,
Cris Brown

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 25, 2013 8:58 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Could there be 2 Leander Howard Cemeteries?
Hi Ken: I don't know about the newspaper article, I just know that there are no Backs or Bachs buried in the Leander Howard cemetery, at least as far as gravestones are concerned, [could the stones have disappeared?] and at least on what was the Leander Howard farm, there are none for anyone other than the ones I have listed, with the exceptions of 3 Howard children, whom I am trying to establish parentage of, before I add them.

I do know that there is a great deal of confusion about the term Quicksand, it refers both to a creek and to a community. The community of Quicksand is off HWY 15 going toward Hazard to the right. There is a blue metal bridge, and the old Quicksand school used to be there. It is a quite hilly area and at the tip top of the hill there are about 8 different graveyards there, at least. One the Back or Bach one is extremely well maintained, the others not so much so. There is a huge Obelisk in it, that stands out. I know this because my aunt, the sole remaining child of the family took me there in 2012 to look for my maternal ggf, Orlando Barnes, who was in the lesser gravesite, to the left of the big, well kept fenced area. The graveside Orlando is buried in is called the Hilltop cemetery. Then there is the community of Noctor, also off 15 going onto 30E, to the right, you travel down that road about 2.5 miles from 15 and on the left, on what was the Leander Howard farm, there is a family graveyard, it is a small bump/rise and there are about 20 some graves there. This is where Leander Howard is buried, under LD Howard, my GGf, Grandma Barnes' father. Thus the name of the cemetery. He is buried nowhere else, that I know. Look at my posting for Leander Howard cemetery and then you'll see, the theme. I just checked on this a couple weeks ago, when I took a photo of every single stone in the graveyard-- easy to do as there aren't that many. No one not of the last name Howard, unless you count daughters buried with their husbands, of a different name. I am in short, at a loss. But I do know that Find A Grave has a problem with the listings in Breathitt County. For instance, I discovered the Bach Cemtery at Quicksand, is being used also for the Lazarus P. Back cemetery, which is on up the Noctor HWY 30e road, going toward Rousseau at Meatscafold and was attached in name to the Bach Memorial Methodist Church, which I attended as a child. The graveyard is before the church ont eh left. The church farther down the road. Someone local could straighten this out quickly. My suggestion is pick a name, such as your grandfather and ask for a volunteer to take a photo and they'll soon tell you the right or wrong of this. It is a bit frustrating I know. But it is the foible of this site. Hope this helps. All the best to you, Cris Brown. p.s. please amend the Leander Howard Cemetery to read as being at Noctor, if it doesn't say that already. Thanks.

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 21, 2013 11:22 AM

Cris Brown
RE: Could there be 2 Leander Howard Cemeteries?
Hi Ken, no, sorry I am not in Breathitt, but was down there to visit and an aunt and decided to take photos of all in the Leander Howard Cemetery. This description sounds very much like the Bach Cemetery in Quicksand, a very large and very nice one, at the top of a hill. The Leander Howard cemetery is a left from HWy15 onto 30E and then a right off HWY 30E into the cemetery, whcih is beside a trailer, which is beside a barn, a very gentle rise, certainly but no hill. Maybe you could request photos of your relatives from someone in the area and they could find them for you? I don't know what else to tell you, there just aren't any Bach monuments in the Howard graveyard. As I said there is also a huge Bach cemetery up the road, several miles, maybe 10 called the Lazrus Bach Cemetery, there's a listing of residents, on the net. Wish I could be of more help. Cris

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM

Cris Brown
Could there be 2 Leander Howard Cemeteries?
It seems unlikely, but could there be two Leander Howard Cemteries in Breathitt? ...the one I am talking about is on HWY 30E after the Leander Bend in the straight away before the next big curve at Noctor KY- it is created on the farm that Leander Howard held in his lifetime-- Where is the one you're talking about located? Pls. advise. Thank you.

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 14, 2013 4:34 PM

Cris Brown
These Bachs are not in Leander Howard Cemetery
Hi Ken, I was just in my g gf's cemetery, today where my Mother is buried-- the Leander Howard Cemtery at Noctor, KY and I took photos of every single tombstone and I must say that there is not one single Bach there. It's a small cemetery with the total of 21 people buried there, none of whom are Bachs-- I think what you're thinking of is the Lazarus P. Bach Cemetery, at Noctor. Please correct your information as regards the Bach residents of the Howard Cemetery appreciated. Cris Brown

Added by Cris Brown on Jun 09, 2013 5:59 PM

Steve
Ella Bach Jones and Tom Jones
HI' KEN, as it turns out we are first
cusins, your dad Fred is my dad Omar Jones brother.

Steve...

Added by Steve on Apr 28, 2013 5:03 AM

Steve
Claude Duvall Bach
He is also my great grandfather. I don't have an exact date for the photo on here but I do know the year. The year this picture was taken was 1918. I have some pictures that was taken at the same time. My grandmother was their daughter Ella. I have a picture of Claude and Nancy holding Ella's son Omar Jones when he was a baby. Omar Jones was my father. If at all possible, I would like to find out where this cemetery is located. You can call me anytime @ 859 358-6883 or send an email. My email address is steves_photoshop@yahoo.com.

Added by Steve on Apr 27, 2013 2:16 PM

Tina
RE: Obit for Elbert Harmon
I have been going through old papers on the internet and at UK Library. I have been posting all that I find because I thought someone would like to have them. Glad to know that they are found by researchers.
Tina

Added by Tina on Mar 14, 2013 7:14 AM

Althea
Yvonne Jones
I have transferred your cousin over to you so you will be able to maintain her memorial.

Added by Althea on Dec 15, 2012 5:12 AM

Gary L. Eldridge
RE: Wiley Jones/Clemons Cemtery ?
Wiley Jones/Clemons Cemtery ?
Gary,do you by chance know of the Wiley Jones/Clemons cemtery at Wilstacy ? I'm looking every where for a listing and can not find one.Years ago Stephen Bowling had all the burials listed but his web pages are no longer.Any ideas ?


Ken:

Two things:
1) Wilstacy is in Breathitt County, not in Letcher County...and I know next to nothing about Breathitt County.
2) There is a Clemons Cemetery and a Clemons-Ritchie Cemetery in Breathitt County. Clemons has 3 burials listed, Clemons-Ritchie has 48.

Hope that helps?

Gary

Added by Gary L. Eldridge on Mar 23, 2011 8:09 AM

Gary L. Eldridge
RE: Dixon Cemetery
Ken:

My uncle is Dennis Dixon, son pf Isom and Angeline Dixon. His wife is my mom's oldest sister Pelma. Dennis died in '04 and is buried there.

Added by Gary L. Eldridge on Mar 19, 2011 9:55 AM

Gary L. Eldridge
RE: Dixon Cemetery
Hi Ken:

Hi,you have my 2nd great grandparents listed James C & Sarah Dixon,can you tell me anything about the cemetery ? Is it on private property,unmarked graves,have you been there ? Anything you can tell me I'd appreciate,thanks for listing them !

Ken I have been there many many times. My father Kenneth was born and raised within eye shot of the cemetery, his first cousin Jim Eldridge, buried here, lived across the road from the cemetery.
The cemetery is not on private property, but sits well-maintained at the very top of the hill. If you are looking at Google Earth, or a road map, it sits immediately on the right past Stewart's Road off Bull Creek (KY 3408). If you have never been...and decide to go...go during daylight, and not when buses would be on the road. It is extremely narrow and steep. As a matter of fact, it probably sits 15 feet higher than the entrance to Stewart's Road. But there's a place to park and as a matter iof fact, an annual memorial meeting is held there either Memorial Day or the weekend after 4th of July I can't remember.
In looking at the site again...I realized that I have not downloaded all the pictures for the cemetery I took last year! So keep an eye out here for I will be doing that in the next few days!
If I can be of any further assistance, don't hesitate to caontact me!

Gary

Added by Gary L. Eldridge on Mar 17, 2011 10:35 AM

Sarah Quinn
Hi Ken
I am not related to those Quinns to the best of my knowledge. I hope you are able to locate a link.Nice to talk to another oldtimer of Findagrave. Best ever, Sarah.

Added by Sarah Quinn on Feb 24, 2011 8:08 PM

jgkeeney1
Re: Elbert Harmon
Hi Ken . . . transferred Memorial to your care;
You are extended family . . . I am not ~ I found him on a list and discovered he was not yet posted, so I did that part!

Take care, Joyce

Added by jgkeeney1 on Jan 09, 2011 4:17 PM

jgkeeney1
Elbert Harmon
Thank you for the information; I Have updated his Memorial (50616031). Did not find Fred or Tilda posted, so could not link.

Joyce McKeehan Keeney

Added by jgkeeney1 on Jan 08, 2011 8:47 PM

Jen Bawden
Elam Memorial
Thanks so much, Ken, for visiting Daddy's memorial. You da' best!

Added by Jen Bawden on Nov 03, 2009 4:07 PM

 
 

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