|Birth: ||Nov. 2, 1831|
|Death: ||Oct. 3, 1898|
Sallie is 3rd wife of William Harper Smither
Not confirmed for sure her birth place as
1870 census says TN, 1880 IL, 1900 census
Virginia's father Joshua says his mother born DE,
1910 OH, 1920 OH, 1930 OH. Could be Ohio too.
Name: Sarah Hull Age: 18 Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace:Illinois Home 1850: Bond, Illinois
Gender: Female Family Number: 909
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Hull 47
Lucinda Hull 39
Mary A Hull 20
Sarah Hull 18
Harriet Hull 15
Malinda Hull 12
Jane Hull 10
Rebecca Hull 4
Benjamin Hull 2
Finley T Hull 20
1870 Oxford, Lafayette, MS
W H Smither Abt 1810 Virginia Male
S J Smither Abt 1833 Tenn Female 3rd wife Sallie
Ella Smither Abt 1855 Miss F 2nd wife Eliz dau
Sallie Smither Abt 1857 Miss F ""
Joseph F Smither Abt 1858 Miss M Fauls "" son
Lillian Smither Abt 1860 Miss F Dale ‘'dau
Jenny H Smither Abt 1868 Miss F Sallie dau
1880 Oxford, Lafayette, MS
S J Smither abt 1831 Ill Self Ire Del
3rd wife widow/Sallie
Sallie Smither abt 1856 Miss Dau
2nd wife Eliz dau
Lillie Smither abt 1860 Miss Dau
Dale 2nd wife Eliz dau
Jennie H Smither abt 1869 Miss Dau
Jennie H/Sallie dau
Joshua John H Smither abt 1871 Miss Son
Noted:her last name is Hull.I visited her 100 yo
granddau Virginia Neale Smither Enid, OK.
She said her grandma came from Ohio.1870 census
says TN, 1880 IL, 1900 census Virginia's father
Joshua says his mother was born in DE, 1910 OH, 1920 OH, 1930 OH. If you can find a Sarah Hull born 11/2/1831
in 1850-1860 census born in either DE, OH or IL,
then that would be the decider.
About the only other clue is they have a tea set
that supposedly set in Independence Hall and was
handed down by the Thompson family. I couldn't find anything on that.
Her granddaughter didn't know her name. I got it off
her father's death certificate. It was poorly written.
I'll look at it again when I get back in town tonight.
The only clue that she had is the silver tea set that
came from her grandmother's side. She said it came from
a Thompson or something like that family and that it
sat in Independence Hall while the Declaration of Independence was resolved. I'd assume that would come
from the Delaware side. She was a school teacher in
Ohio that was brought down to teach at the University
Just letting you know I spoke with Virginia Neile Smither Frazee today. She is the 98 yo granddaughter of his,
William Harper Smither and his third wife Sallie.
She is the youngest child of William's youngest child, Joshua Harper Smither. Her mind is fine, but so much
of what I am asking her was so long ago. She does
not recall her grandmother's maiden name, but did
say she came from Ohio to Oxford, MS to teach at the University of Mississippi. I am going up to Oklahoma
to meet her at the end of January. She is my Great Grandmother's cousin.
She is good friends with 92 yo Burney Smither,
who is my grandmother's 1st cousin and lived with
my Great Grandparents as a young man.Dan 12-2010
William Smither & 3rd wife Sallie Hull 4 kids
1William SMITHER d infancy
2Helen SMITHER d infancy
3Jennie H SMITHER b Abt 1868 Oxford
Lafayette Co MS d MT Air NM +Mr Williams
4Joshua John Harper SMITHER b Abt 1871 Oxford
Lafayette Co MS. FAG # 83713595
The only ones mentioned in Will:
Jennie H, Joshua Harper, Sally, Lillie,
Joseph F. and Kate Sims
R. G. Smither This would be Robert Gilbreth
fr lst wife Eveline Neill
Kate Sims –fr 2nd wife Elizabeth Neill
Sally –fr 2nd wife Elizabeth Neill
Joseph Fauls –fr 2nd wife Elizabeth Neill
Lillie –fr 2nd wife Elizabeth Neill
Jennie H -fr 3rd wife SJ
Joshua Harper – fr 3rd wife SJ
#92 WILLIAM HARPER SMITHER-John and Polly's son William born Dec 24 1808 Culpeper Co Va.
He was probably named for his mother's Uncle
William Harper (also a good friend of his father).
He m3 SJ as listed 1870 census b c1833 and they had 4 children. He was elected the first clerk of the Board
of Police. 1839 he was paid $2.25 for recording an
estate sale and inventory. 1839 elected probate clerk.
He was a merchant and plantation owner and served as
JP being known as Judge Smither. He was one of our wealthiest ancestors. 1860 his land was worth
$80,000 and his personal property was worth $18,000,
easily a multimillionaire by today's standards.
He was a large slaveholder.
He supposedly had to leave the area during the CW
because he had educated his slaves on his plantation,
even having gone as far as to have erected schoolhouses
for them. This not only made him unpopular but was
against the law. His children were all supposedly
educated in Europe as was not uncommon for the southern aristocracy. This may have provided them with the enlightened ideals on the education of slaves.
I recently discovered the record of his oldest son attending the University of MS 1849, so we tend to
discount the above supposition. After the war the
family had a trunk full of Confederate money,
which was of course worthless. His plantation was purportedly taken over by carpetbaggers.
1870 he was only worth $12,000. Supposedly some of the family is immortalized in the writings of Wm Faulkner Oxford MS as fictionalized characters, however this is
most likely a false claim to fame, as Wm Harper d 21y
bef Faulkner was born and by the family had gone
onto Arkansas. He was a MS Free Acceptance Mason from 1839-1850 and raised to degree of Master Mason.
He died Jan 11 1876 Oxford 67y.
He and his first 2 wives buried St Peters Cem Lafayette. They were all literate per the census. I have a picture
of him-thin man with curl in hair and wide goatee. RS
RE: Memorial# 69162005 SJ Smither
Mrs. Sallie's husband's headstone is above hers and
several Smither family members were buried close by,
but when my sons and I were searching for Sallie we
could not find her.
My sons are 9 and 6 years old and we have been going
to the cemetery as an afterschool project to fulfill
all the photo requests for the past week and a half
- they love the history of it. They are also good at hunting out the headstones for me and then I come
along and photograph them.
Anyway, we couldn't find Sallie's headstone where
she was supposedly located (according to a 1976
cemetery record book) - and then I spotted that
half-buried piece of stone and realized it had
something engraved on it. I dug it out by hand enough
to read. The stone simply says "Mrs. S. J. Smither
Died Oct 3 1898". Then we uncovered her footstone
which has her initials "S.J.S." I hope it was okay
with you - but we returned the next day
(with small garden tools) and spent about an hour uncovering the rest of her buried stone oval memorial.
It is quite lovely and I told the boys that I was
sure Mrs. Sallie appreciated that she was not lost to history. We said a quick prayer for her before we
left the cemetery that night.All our best,Angie
Added by Angela Avery on Nov 13, 2013 9:51 AM
[God Bless n honour your wonderful efforts Angie,Cudos!]
William Harper Smither (1808 - 1876)*
Joshua Harper Smither (1873 - 1957)*
Mrs S J Smither
Note: footstone has her initials S.J.S.
Oxford Memorial Cemetery
Plot: St. Peter's, Section 2
Maintained by: Nena Smothers
Originally Created by: Irma Hale
Record added: Apr 30, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 69162005
Oh dear Sallie, once lost now found!Halleujeuh! The Angels rejoice for Angie.|
Added: Nov. 14, 2013
RIP; 3rd wife William Harper; 4 children; 2 infants died|
Added: Dec. 30, 2012